From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PT Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:56:52 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <7e4qf7yfgh.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111244289 32286 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 14:58:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 15:58:09 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCfOw-0004wk-Jw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:58:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCffe-0005K9-A1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:15:22 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!uninett.no!newsfeed1.e.nsc.no!peernews.cix.co.uk!zen.net.uk!dedekind.zen.co.uk!213.155.197.138.MISMATCH!aioe.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 26 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 9EGqVzZOPJF34TsvHVPUaQ.domitilla.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:55:22 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129393 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24948 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24948 On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:42:38 +0100, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrot= e: > PT writes: > >> Sigh. When some people sees how I work with Emacs they want to learn >> it. The idea is to relieve the initial pain of meeting Emacs the >> first time, so that they don't give it up in disgust, before they get= >> to know it better. > > at some point everyone gives up (perhaps in disgust) on something, > instead of getting to know it better. Exactly. My heretic idea is to rethink the whole Emacs interface = (defaults, keybindings). Make the default Emacs very similary to modern = = CUA-based applications. Give less reason for the newbies to give up in = disgust. -- = Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/