From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PT Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:23:46 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <1111219043.820733.143980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111242232 27258 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 14:23:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 15:23:52 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCer3-0000m5-6y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:23:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCf7k-0002f8-Gw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:40:20 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tsicnews.teliasonera.com!aioe.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 29 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 9EGqVzZOPJF34TsvHVPUaQ.domitilla.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:22:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129389 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24944 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24944 On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:56:17 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Some of the ``cool stuff'' is turned off because the veteran users > find it so annoying that they protest vociferously each time someone > suggests them to be turned on by default. And this is the wrong point of view. I'm a veteran user. I can turn = anything off I don't like, but a newbie cannot turn the useful things on= = until he gets to know emacs better. The problem is they usually give up = = (at least the ones I met), because they miss the convenience features! I support turning every useful feature on by default. I don't really see= = how a veteran user can find anything annoying. I can put some lines into= = my emacs and I won't see that thing ever again. Newbies first! Veterans can fix anything they don't like. -- = Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/