From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22506: make change-history now doesn't work at all Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:56:11 -0500 Message-ID: References: <56AE745A.1090402@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454349444 890 80.91.229.3 (1 Feb 2016 17:57:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 17:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22506@debbugs.gnu.org, Nicolas Petton To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 01 18:57:15 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aQIiu-0002mk-Jm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 18:57:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53582 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQIit-0004xj-R8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:57:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34915) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQIip-0004xZ-56 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:57:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQIik-0002dH-8k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:57:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:57204) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQIik-0002d6-64 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:57:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aQIij-0001CJ-Ue for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:57:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22506 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22506-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22506.14543493864559 (code B ref 22506); Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22506) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Feb 2016 17:56:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45424 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aQIi9-0001BT-Q5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:56:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43224) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aQIi8-0001BG-9P for 22506@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:56:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQIi2-0002Gh-Do for 22506@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:56:19 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38270) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aQIi0-0002Fl-Fx; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:56:16 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aQIhw-0002J9-5I; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:56:12 -0500 X-Spook: radar Abu Sayyaf Reyosa BRLO high security Drug war X-Ran: JTzCP!,-_2akw?s;cK'rp`Z=O]"qe>A_mWb!ZV=R9cKhiNNRO~PiDb`V{QyTpHsTJ6w;j^ X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112214 Archived-At: Paul Eggert wrote: > We also need to improve the procedure for keeping track of history, as > the current procedure does not work well at all. We're better off than > we were when ChangeLog files were maintained by hand in parallel with > commit messages It's going pretty much as I expected. The overall quality of logs has gone down, and correcting them has largely been lumped on the plate of the person making the release. The fact that merging ChangeLog from release branch to master has actually become harder than it was before is an unexpected bonus though. ;) > I've proposed a way to improve this but to be honest I'd rather just > dump the by-hand maintenance entirely I've also felt like suggesting dropping the ChangeLog completely, because the project as a whole doesn't seem interested in such things. But at a minimum, there needs to be a way to correct legally relevant information: wrong author, missing tiny change. I would once again suggest git notes (need to correct a commit log? add a note with the fixed version) rather than keeping a generated file in the repo, but I'm also unmotivated to work on it, so it's just hot air.