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From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 'Emacs-Devel' <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	'Michael Albinus' <michael.albinus@gmx.de>,
	'Stefan Monnier' <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	'Jason Rumney' <jasonr@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mapped drive
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:46:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <nqzlrnejkn.fsf@alcatel-lucent.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <000101c8a37f$eeb543d0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:18:43 -0700")

"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

> As you said, the purpose of file-remote-p is to determine, without the cost of a
> remote access, whether a file name represents a remote file. The aim in using it
> is to be able to know that a file is remote, so you might then avoid the cost of
> accessing it.
>
> * A file on a Windows mapped network drive is remote, in the sense of incurring
> a performance penalty for access. `file-remote-p' should return non-nil for such
> a file, but nil for a file on a Windows local drive. That is not the case now.

I believe, we are speaking about 2 different functions:

* file-remote-p returns t, if a file is not directly accessible by
  underlying operating system's means. Such files always need some
  special file name handler functions in Emacs for proper
  handling. Such (absolute) file names cannot be used literally
  outside functions, which support file name handlers.

* file-mounted-p (as working name) returns t, if a file looks like an
  ordinary file from the operating system's point of view, but its
  physical location is on another machine. Examples are nfs, smbfs or
  sshfs mounts under GNU/Linux, or network shares under W32. This
  property cannot be detected by file name handler functions. The
  implementation shall be in the C core.

These functions are exclusive: file-remote-p and file-mounted-p shall
not return t for the same filename. Since one function uses the
filename only for checking the result, and the other function uses
operating system properties, I don't believe it makes sense to merge
them into one function.

A test for "slow access" is therefore

(or (file-mounted-p filename)
    (file-remote-p filename))

> [Apologies, Michael, for quoting off-list mail; I assumed you wouldn't mind.]

No problem, you can always quote me, unless I've stated otherwise.

> So if ffap-ftp-regexp is subsumed by an ange-ftp test, the question becomes
> whether that ange-ftp test should be included in `file-remote-p'.

???

The relevant test for ange-ftp is included in file-remote-p.

Best regards, Michael.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-21  7:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-25 18:47 testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mapped drive Drew Adams
2008-01-25 18:54 ` Drew Adams
2008-01-25 20:33   ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mappeddrive Drew Adams
2008-01-25 22:18     ` Jason Rumney
2008-01-25 23:37       ` Drew Adams
2008-01-26  2:56         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-26  7:30           ` Drew Adams
2008-01-26  9:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-26 11:29           ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-26 15:23             ` Jason Rumney
2008-01-26 16:55             ` Drew Adams
2008-01-26 19:24             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-26 22:15               ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-26 22:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-27 11:18                   ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-27 17:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-27 18:22                       ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-27 19:04                       ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-27  1:36                 ` Drew Adams
2008-01-27 20:46                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 18:28                   ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mapped drive Drew Adams
2008-04-20 19:37                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 20:03                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 20:28                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 21:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-20 21:16                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 21:31                         ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-20 20:24                       ` Drew Adams
2008-04-20 21:19                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-20 22:20                           ` Drew Adams
2008-04-20 21:21                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 22:20                           ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21  0:59                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21  7:18                               ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21  7:28                                 ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-21  7:47                                   ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 19:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-21 22:11                                       ` Drew Adams
2008-04-22  3:36                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-22  4:43                                           ` Drew Adams
2008-04-22  6:27                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-22 14:09                                               ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windowsmapped drive Drew Adams
2008-04-22 15:47                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-21 17:08                                   ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mapped drive Drew Adams
2008-04-21  7:46                                 ` Michael Albinus [this message]
2008-04-21  7:55                                   ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21  9:03                                     ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-21  8:57                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-21  9:11                                     ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-21  9:18                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-21  9:44                                         ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-21  9:59                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-21 14:36                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 17:09                                         ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 17:45                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 18:52                                             ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 19:21                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 22:39                                                 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 14:33                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 15:13                                     ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-21 16:17                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 20:29                                         ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-22  2:48                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 19:35                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-22  2:46                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-22  3:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-22  5:46                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-22  6:50                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-22 15:17                                         ` Michael Albinus
2008-04-29  7:50                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-29 18:15                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-29 20:39                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-30  3:16                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-30  4:26                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-30  6:23                                                     ` Drew Adams
2008-04-30  7:34                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-30 13:57                                                         ` Drew Adams
2008-05-05 15:33                                                           ` Michael Albinus
2008-05-05 15:47                                                             ` Drew Adams
2008-05-05 15:57                                                               ` Michael Albinus
2008-05-05 16:12                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2008-05-05 18:31                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-05 15:20                                             ` Michael Albinus
2008-05-05 18:26                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 19:29                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-22 15:40                                     ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-27 20:43                 ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mappeddrive Stefan Monnier
2008-01-29 15:46                   ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-30  6:15                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-30  7:43                       ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-30 14:24                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-30 15:04                           ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-30 15:48                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-30 16:04                               ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-30 17:49                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-30 16:04                           ` David Kastrup
2008-01-30 17:52                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-30 19:50                               ` Michael Albinus
2008-01-30 21:33                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-31  9:07                                   ` Michael Albinus
2008-02-01 19:09                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-03 13:36                                       ` Michael Albinus
2008-02-04 21:55                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-05 15:52                                           ` Michael Albinus
2008-02-05 16:34                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-05 20:58                                               ` Michael Albinus
2008-02-05 22:21                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-05 22:32                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2008-02-05 22:17                                               ` url-handler-file-remote-p (was: testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mappeddrive) Michael Albinus
2008-02-06 14:44                                                 ` url-handler-file-remote-p Stefan Monnier
2008-02-06 20:37                                                   ` url-handler-file-remote-p Michael Albinus
2008-01-30 14:29                       ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mappeddrive Stefan Monnier
2008-01-30 14:45                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-31  1:05                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-31  1:56                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-31 18:51                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-26 15:15           ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-21  4:25         ` Eric Hanchrow
2008-04-21  7:58           ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-21  8:15             ` testing for a remote file to include file on aWindows mappeddrive Drew Adams
2008-04-21  8:48               ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-21 17:08                 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 14:15               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 17:09                 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 17:52                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 18:52                     ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 19:24                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-26  8:52   ` testing for a remote file to include file on a Windows mapped drive Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-25 22:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-26  8:50   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-26 10:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-26 16:55   ` Drew Adams
2008-01-26 17:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-26 17:57       ` Drew Adams
2008-01-26 18:58         ` Eli Zaretskii

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