From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Allen S. Rout" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:41:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <831t3fx5pu.fsf@gnu.org> <878txnej61.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467294409 18999 80.91.229.3 (30 Jun 2016 13:46:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 13:46:49 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 30 15:46:39 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bIcIY-0004my-GZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:46:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49508 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIcIX-00028Q-Jr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:46:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50650) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIcEX-0008EB-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:42:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIcES-00030x-TD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:42:20 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:48109) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bIcES-00030X-MR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:42:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bIcEL-0001uZ-Ed for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:42:09 +0200 Original-Received: from host-128-227-126-159.xlate.ufl.edu ([128.227.126.159]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:42:09 +0200 Original-Received: from asr by host-128-227-126-159.xlate.ufl.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:42:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 38 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-128-227-126-159.xlate.ufl.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: <878txnej61.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:204983 Archived-At: On 06/29/2016 04:04 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > Give what a shot, exactly? I already put such text in the buffer, > when such text is what I want. So I think I've already "given that > a shot". Or do you mean something else? Like, editing it in Org > mode? I have composed and discarded three replies to this, and gave up. Then I read Dieter's phrase: On 06/29/2016 06:15 PM, H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote: > > It is this unifying approach which is most important, I want my > document for capturing, organising and storing information, I need to > calculate and visualise information and also that the very same > sources can be published as well. and it crystallized. Richard, I summarize your desire as "Org should be implemented so that its features can be composed." I reply: "Org is an attempt to -perform- just that composition." I can use more of the various packages in Emacs, simultaneously, in org-mode, than in any other environment I've used. So when you talk about wanting to use "org-mode features" somewhere else, it registers on my brain like a category error. "Can't you please make the intersection where all roads meet, be over here where there's just one road? " .... I know the description of org-mode as purely alloy of other things is incorrect: nothing's pure. But maybe this will help the conversation. - Allen S. Rout