From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Paul Edwards" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: simple editor required Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:10:27 GMT Organization: BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.net.au) Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <6V2Da.96131$h42.53153@twister.nyc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054822645 27932 80.91.224.249 (5 Jun 2003 14:17:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 05 16:17:21 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19NvXK-0007Bz-00 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:16:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NvWg-0004T5-GK for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:15:34 -0400 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.132.167.28 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@bigpond.net.au Original-X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1054822227 144.132.167.28 (Fri, 06 Jun 2003 00:10:27 EST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 00:10:27 EST Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cox.net!news-xfer.cox.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!news.brisbane.pipenetworks.com!duster.adelaide.on.net!vicpull2.telstra.net!lon-transit.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!not-for-mail Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:114168 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:10662 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:10662 "Bruce Ingalls" wrote in message news:X0mDa.1570$Fu.866812@twister.nyc.rr.com... > > emacs 20.7.1 behaves as I expect. I do ctrl-escape to start > > marking, and then I can find or goto to get to the spot where > > I want the block to end, and then I go ctrl-w to cut. > > > > xemacs loses my marker. > > > >>How do you expect to unselect text? > > > > ctrl-g. > > > >>Emacs is designed to be powerful, not simple. > >>Try nedit or pico for less featureful editors. > > > > I'm already familiar with the emacs commands, it's just that I > > seem to get different results with every new emacs I encounter. > > > > It's like they keep changing the defaults just to annoy me, and I > > need to find some arcane thing to put it back to normal. > > Since you are an accomplished Emacs user, Not sure about "accomplished". I know the basics of micro-emacs, and thus also the basics of full-emacs. > your post is starting to take on "troll"-like elements. [speech deleted]. > You ask for a featureless, simple editor, then ask for a feature that no No, I asked how to stop emacs setting up a whole lot of crap that I don't want, by default, when all I am after is making a powerful editor get the basics right, given that it doesn't work as a default. > editor provides. The good news is that Emacs makes more things possible, > than with other editors. The bad news, is > 1) this is what makes Emacs powerful, and not simple > 2) Emacs is run by the community. > > You are somehow looking at the above added/optional feature, and > wondering why it disappears from some releases, which perhaps stick to > the core, standard features. I'm wondering why the basics keep changing and aren't consistent. Like even marking a block of text. > Emacs could mention that some features are enhanced options. If you know > of an effective way to do so, such that this does not unnecessarily get > users' hopes up, let us know. Not sure what you're talking about there. > More bad news: > For a short term solution, you will either have to hire a consultant, or > write a .emacs file. I have a .emacs file, and it behaves differently to each other, plus different to previous versions, even by default. Fundamentally changing the basics. I only use the basics, and every single company I go to the .emacs needs to be changed. Even to get the delete key to work. If it is even possible. That is very strange and has nothing to do with advanced features. This is fundamental basic editting operations. BFN. Paul.