From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Espen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: help in same window + colorful help + =?utf-8?Q?Bl=C3=BCmchen?= Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:04:54 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <20150708070357.GA18527@tuxteam.de> <87fv4z2aov.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <20150708111326.GA29589@tuxteam.de> <87si8yesv7.fsf@web.de> <20150708125601.GA32537@tuxteam.de> <87bnfmjmf1.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <20150709062758.GA29164@tuxteam.de> <87fv4xj7s0.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <20150710035558.GB30038@tuxteam.de> <87h9pc807k.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1436558732 6864 80.91.229.3 (10 Jul 2015 20:05:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:05:32 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 10 22:05:23 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDeXy-0001pr-SA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:05:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45977 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDeXy-0006nY-A4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:05:22 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 57 Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="ad871ce417d1fb2ea3c87e49e48c0ae1"; logging-data="32552"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19R1jFOT22cSCwiEOQZU3ammexGlTpQUw0=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:KxmNNVr4ZXGB3iZpzK4DSHC4D1o= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:213301 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105588 Archived-At: Ian Zimmerman writes: > On 2015-07-10 18:08 +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > >> > 500 Java programmers? Lisp programmers? Bus drivers? >> >> If you ask me, girls in their middle-late 20s. >> They have the best taste with colors. Before that, >> they wear too much black. Black does not trigger any >> positive emotional responses. > > Wrong here :-) > >> However, in computing a black background is good as then less light >> enters the eyes of the computer user, while the other colors contrast >> well, so those are the ones that should carry information. > > Wrong here too. Too much contrast is tiring on the eyes. I have both > Emacs and terminal emulators use a dark gray foreground on very light > gray (almost white) background. Only proving that everyone has different tastes. I need and want the contrast, after all, the goal is to be able to see things, I've never understood backgrounds other than white and black. Anything else creates a whole bunch of colors that don't stand out. Getting back to the Emacs defaults, I think Emacs has it mostly right. I see a white background as the default. I despise white backgrounds, but I accept that white is what most people expect. Once you use white, it only makes sense to set the default foreground to black. Again, that's what Emacs does and it has it right. Looking deeper, I see the following issues: A number of faces are not distinct from each other, font-lock-preprocessor-face is black because it's not set. Firebrick and Brown look pretty much the same. The warning face and the error face are the same. I can't tell VioletRed4 from sienna. font-lock-doc-face isn't unique. There should be more dark green, I see mostly blues and reds. More things should be bold. The normal fonts just look to indistinct for me. The help buffers have some colors. I don't see the problem. Links are underlined and colored. I've heavily customized my colors, but for a while I didn't have my .emacs available. The theme manoj-dark was fine. -- Dan Espen