From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Espen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 13:02:15 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <87sicvwckx.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87wq27yvqg.fsf@debian.uxu> <8d531e99-7260-4263-ac99-09c6871e2708@googlegroups.com> <87vbhq53lf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a8z23p23.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87lhilx0cf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twx9360u.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <0d1d19ab-06e9-462d-8867-9a49b1e232d3@googlegroups.com> <87lhil2io1.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427303122 11509 80.91.229.3 (25 Mar 2015 17:05:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:05:22 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 25 18:05:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yaok5-0000IT-GH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 18:05:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40301 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yaok4-0004B2-AN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 13:05:20 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 56 Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="ad871ce417d1fb2ea3c87e49e48c0ae1"; logging-data="16472"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/IGDLZW+aiuXFccxTtX4JKxgML5LUwDoo=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:3T3VutJElTkhX96MKuWRZBesLnw= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211049 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103330 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> Notice, that I asked the reader to compare the ease of input. > > Before I comment further, let me say that I agree with your point. > >> => super easy, two keys to type. >> The unicode correspondance? I would start typing C-x 8 RET double TAB >> and not find it in the list. So I would have to launch clisp, >> C-- slime RET clisp RET >> wait for it to boot then type: >> (lschar :name "RIGHT_ARROW") RET >> the search for double, and not find it, then copy and paste it from your >> message, >> (char-name #\⇒) >> obtain the character name as "RIGHTWARDS_DOUBLE_ARROW", then type >> C-x 8 RET rightward double arrow RET >> which, even if I had know it from the start, is still much more >> difficult to type than just =>. > > Yes and no. Yes, if you haven't used a particular Unicode char > before or use it rarely. No, if you use it often. > > If you use a particular Unicode character often, just give its > insertion a command and bind that to a key. If you have 30 such > chars, put them all on a prefix key. Or use completion on their > command names (names you created, so easy for you to type, remember, > complete to,...). > > IOW, it's not a big deal to insert Unicode characters, especially > if you insert the same ones over and over. You do not need to use > `C-x 8 RET' each time. Sorry, that scales up for more than 1 or 2 characters how? I already have a little piece of oak tag paper that I've cut out to surround the 6-key pad above the arrow keys. The paper has the legend: UNDO FRONT OPEN AGAIN -keys- COPY Yep, even for 5 specially assigned keys, my mind sometimes goes blank and I look at the paper. A normal keyboard just isn't designed for a bunch of strange characters. Another poster described the issue well. If we used some other kind of input device, those characters might be a good idea. Until then, not so much. -- Dan Espen