From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Espen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question now Unicode Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 11:46:20 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <87sicvwckx.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87wq27yvqg.fsf@debian.uxu> <8d531e99-7260-4263-ac99-09c6871e2708@googlegroups.com> <87vbhq53lf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a8z23p23.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87lhilx0cf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twx9360u.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <0d1d19ab-06e9-462d-8867-9a49b1e232d3@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427298630 28357 80.91.229.3 (25 Mar 2015 15:50:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 15:50:30 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 25 16:50:29 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YanZc-0002yA-CV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 16:50:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39906 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YanZb-00032N-PY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 11:50:27 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 52 Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="ad871ce417d1fb2ea3c87e49e48c0ae1"; logging-data="28274"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/NoKKyrtrfWt5CbKyKyB3xNxM9kHGvDcw=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:udJkgsKFUayvx5WCQYusItu+gDU= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211044 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103324 Archived-At: Rusi writes: > On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 8:22:28 PM UTC+5:30, Dan Espen wrote: >> Rusi writes: >> >> > On a different note... >> > For 50 years CS has been living in the impoverished world of ASCII. >> > This makes people think CS and math are more far apart than they essentially/really are. >> > >> > I wrote this as my wish for python: >> > http://blog.languager.org/2014/04/unicoded-python.html >> > Isn't it about time lisp also considered a similar line? >> >> I can't type it, I sure don't want to see it in source code. > > Strange to see that comment on an emacs-list! I've been using Emacs since the 70s. > I guess the same comment would have been made 50 years ago when C came out > and Fortran/Cobol programmers could not find lower case on card-punch machines > > [There are things called input-methods in particular tex-input method]¹ > > > Yes, unicode has more mis-understandings than understanding (currently) > See > > http://blog.languager.org/2015/02/universal-unicode.html for the plus > http://blog.languager.org/2015/03/whimsical-unicode.html for the minus > > > ========= > ¹ I prefer X-based input methods; eg after > $ setxkbmap -layout "us,gr" -option "grp:caps_toggle,grp_led:caps" > > the CAPSLOCK becomes a 'greeklock' ie after pressing CAPSLOCK > abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz > produces > αβψδεφγηιξκλμνοπ;ρστθωςχυζ That's pretty neat. But I don't know the Greek alphabet and if someone started sprinkling Greek in my source code, I'd want a damn good explanation. There are thousands of these crazy symbols and around 100 keys on my keyboard. Only a few of those keys have more than 1 label. How am I supposed to remember how to type all this stuff? -- Dan Espen