From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "WJ" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why is it not possible to use "nil" any more in init files ? Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1421715941 14684 80.91.229.3 (20 Jan 2015 01:05:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:05:41 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 20 02:05:40 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YDNGF-00015w-LQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 02:05:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40403 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDNGE-0003zs-Mp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 20:05:38 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 24 Injection-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="457c4918966ac75337bd5bc691637b7b"; logging-data="8144"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/u1IqswP4/urr5WjNv7miq" User-Agent: XanaNews/1.18.1.6 X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 150119-1, 01/19/2015), Outbound message Cancel-Lock: sha1:uJvnIl/A6w2KHHfnKdgJby4cvNk= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:209886 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:102165 Archived-At: Phillip Lord wrote: > I always used > > (hated-mode 0) > > which seems to be more intuitive than passing nil. No, it doesn't. We are not dealing with C or Forth. In Lisp and Scheme, as a truth value, 2 is the same as 1 and the same as 0. The only thing that is false is nil (in Scheme, #f). What if, to the most mindless of users, 2+2=5 seemed more "intuitive" than 2+2=4. Should elisp be changed so that (+ 2 2) will yield 5? Or should the mindless be required to learn to think? Rewarding the mindless and penalizing the thoughtful is a monstrous thing to do.