From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Espen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Elisp addiction not as bad in light of Linux forkoholism Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:56:24 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <873891sgaw.fsf@debian.uxu> <87oarp9sk4.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87k32caad9.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417456823 20076 80.91.229.3 (1 Dec 2014 18:00:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:00:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 01 19:00:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XvVGj-0006Gf-3Y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:00:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33038 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvVGi-00069W-RB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:00:16 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.albasani.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 41 Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="61a1e09a5dd16679b5767d77eb99504d"; logging-data="4443"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+bMn5gK0mb1jIBPJtVNBj1d+PyiTAug08=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:aifYUZdSl5reiAjUOt5R4rUtD94= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:209075 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101354 Archived-At: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: > Dan Espen writes: > >> "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: >> >>> I've not looked at systemd too closely, but AFAICS, the problem is not >>> child-diseases, but more that it's not enough unixy. >> >> It's like an echo. I keep reading this same opinion. >> >> 1. I don't know much about it >> 2. It's bad. >> >> Spend a little time appreciating the simplicity of systemd >> and then reach your conclusion. In my opinion, the design is >> good and it takes a whole bunch of disorganized shell scripts >> and turns them into data. I nice simple, readable data structure. > > Notice that you're the first one I read expressing this judgement about > systemd. It's certainly encouraging to have a closer look at it. Seems to me we have a culture that encourages disparaging everything. I do notice that common pattern of the people bad-talking systemd all starting out with "I don't know much about it". That encouraged me to take a look. I had no reason to look before then because I had no problems working with it. I noticed some commands changed, but they worked perfectly. One of the primary attributes of systemd is that it took a whole bunch of daemon admin scripts, found the commonalities, then replaced them with data files. This attitude that I know better than the experts is dumb. At least learn something before you open your mouth. (Not you, the generic you.) -- Dan Espen