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From: Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Elisp addiction not as bad in light of Linux forkoholism
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:56:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m5ia3n$4ar$2@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87k32caad9.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com

"Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
>
>> "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>>
>>> I've not looked at systemd too closely, but AFAICS, the problem is not
>>> child-diseases, but more that it's not enough unixy.
>>
>> It's like an echo.  I keep reading this same opinion.
>>
>> 1. I don't know much about it
>> 2. It's bad.
>>
>> Spend a little time appreciating the simplicity of systemd
>> and then reach your conclusion.  In my opinion, the  design is
>> good and it takes a whole bunch of disorganized shell scripts
>> and turns them into data.  I nice simple, readable data structure.
>
> Notice that you're the first one I read expressing this judgement about
> systemd.  It's certainly encouraging to have a closer look at it.

Seems to me we have a culture that encourages disparaging everything.

I do notice that common pattern of the people bad-talking systemd
all starting out with "I don't know much about it".

That encouraged me to take a look.
I had no reason to look before then because I had no problems working
with it.  I noticed some commands changed, but they worked perfectly.

One of the primary attributes of systemd is that it took a whole bunch
of daemon admin scripts, found the commonalities, then replaced
them with data files.

This attitude that I know better than the experts is dumb.
At least learn something before you open your mouth.
(Not you, the generic you.)

-- 
Dan Espen


  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-01 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-30  0:06 Elisp addiction not as bad in light of Linux forkoholism Emanuel Berg
2014-11-30  1:22 ` Filipp Gunbin
     [not found] ` <mailman.14979.1417310548.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-30  1:49   ` Emanuel Berg
2014-12-01 12:17     ` Filipp Gunbin
     [not found]     ` <mailman.15048.1417436297.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-12  2:07       ` Emanuel Berg
2014-11-30  5:16 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2014-11-30  6:05   ` Dan Espen
2014-11-30 14:56     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-11-30 17:04     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2014-12-01 17:56       ` Dan Espen [this message]
2014-12-01 18:41         ` Rostislav Svoboda
     [not found]         ` <mailman.15078.1417459356.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-01 20:13           ` Dan Espen
2014-12-12  2:09           ` Emanuel Berg
2014-11-30 14:51   ` Emanuel Berg
2014-12-12  3:42   ` Emacs and Unix (was: Re: Elisp addiction not as bad in light of Linux forkoholism) Emanuel Berg
2014-11-30 16:14 ` Elisp addiction not as bad in light of Linux forkoholism Marcin Borkowski
     [not found] ` <mailman.15000.1417364114.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-30 17:35   ` Emanuel Berg
2014-11-30 18:36     ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-11-30 19:27       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
     [not found]       ` <mailman.15012.1417375681.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-30 19:43         ` Emanuel Berg
2014-11-30 20:18           ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]           ` <mailman.15021.1417378703.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-30 22:21             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-11-30 22:30           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
     [not found]           ` <mailman.15028.1417386648.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-12  1:55             ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]     ` <mailman.15006.1417372637.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-30 19:41       ` Emanuel Berg
2014-11-30 18:16 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
     [not found] ` <mailman.15002.1417371387.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-30 18:32   ` Emanuel Berg
2014-12-02 14:50 ` Raffaele Ricciardi
2014-12-02 15:07   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <mailman.15150.1417532856.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-02 16:01     ` Loris Bennett
2014-12-02 17:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03  1:44       ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]       ` <mailman.15187.1417571105.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-12  2:38         ` Emanuel Berg
2014-12-12  2:17   ` Emanuel Berg

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