From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Cloos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:29:31 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276275880 29759 80.91.229.12 (11 Jun 2010 17:04:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 11 19:04:38 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON7en-0000ie-T9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:04:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54931 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ON7en-0004rt-BE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:04:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=49297 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ON7ee-0004oX-7J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:04:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON7ec-0000CR-IG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:04:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eagle.jhcloos.com ([207.210.242.212]:48714) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON7eU-00009y-C8; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:04:18 -0400 Original-Received: by eagle.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id 317BC40143; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:03:52 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=eagle; t=1276275856; bh=4SpQ9Soxg8uinIeE6b6xCoOw8Zc+tFS1ZH081VllEzQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sCOK/hqXer2Fd19s7+opI7yIjpPelnuO9jvyQegkgSjN4wLUPmwbJbe8LrsKFEUj5 yNm4euAYrI7cuyHiAaQ93qUahU1NAVugjt8JBLWEpjBbOeyxE567CQ6KZ/tcPNWWA/ 7rhcsnaFqoV0xtLCS0v2jWobk2CR/rk4HW4zS++E= Original-Received: from carbon.jhcloos.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carbon.jhcloos.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9A61C52F5; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:29:31 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:12:39 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAAf8/9hAAAABHNCSVQICAgIfAhkiAAAAI1J REFUOE+lU9ESgCAIg64P1y+ngUdxhl5H8wFbbM0OmUiEhKkCYaZThXCo6KE5sCbA1DDX3genvO4d eBQgEMaM5qy6uWk4SfBYfdu9jvBN9nSVDOKRtwb+I3epboOsOX5pZbJNsBJFvmQQ05YMfieIBnYX FK2N6dOawd97r/e8RjkTLzmMsiVgrAoEugtviCM3v2WzjgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Copyright: Copyright 2009 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Original-Lines: 24 X-Hashcash: 1:30:100611:cyd@stupidchicken.com::38Q+3gHGM9Qkw9Xo:0000000000000000000000000000000000000002XS9L X-Hashcash: 1:30:100611:eliz@gnu.org::qxx0yTMG7V0jT0ap:0000EBQFA X-Hashcash: 1:30:100611:dak@gnu.org::lDC3eZPg5v+nrLID:00000Mp6Mv X-Hashcash: 1:30:100611:emacs-devel@gnu.org::hgf0INkRPf6SjYtn:000000000000000000000000000000000000000004ffha X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125748 Archived-At: >>>>> "CY" =3D=3D Chong Yidong writes: CY> In other bidi-aware applications, what keys are used to move in logic= al CY> order (i.e. what C-f and C-b do now in the trunk)? I don't have a lot of stuff installed to test, but this is what I did test: In gedit C-f and C-b move forward and backward logically, whereas LEFT and RIGHT move left and right visually. I suspect that all =CF=80=CE=B1=CE= =BD=E8=AA=9E (aka pango) apps -- notably including most gtk/gnome apps -- will also do so. In seamonkey, in a web-page's text input box, both the arrow keys and the C-b and C-f keys move visually. In gvim, both the h and l keys and the arrow keys move visually. In Openoffice.org, the arrow keys move logically. Someone with KDE installed should test koffice and/or kwriter. -JimC --=20 James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6