From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19404: 25.0.50; Gnus shows self-signed certificate warning when connecting to Gmane Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:53:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <86ppbhrx9a.fsf@yandex.ru> <838ui5uf27.fsf@gnu.org> <83vbl8uau2.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418925264 29361 80.91.229.3 (18 Dec 2014 17:54:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19404@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 18 18:54:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1fHF-0001Om-46 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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That's not generally possible. Unfortunately there's no difference between a certificate signed by a CA that you don't happen to have in your CA bundle, and a self-signed certificate. Unless I've misunderstood something. I think that's one of many unfortunate design choices made when the certificate system was set up. So the "(self-signed)" string we have in our warnings should perhaps be changed to "(possibly self-signed)". -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no