From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: binding ibuffer to C-x C-b by default Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 03:38:16 +0200 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Message-ID: References: <8F022F3B2C5D4C2AB8A90CBDD7660FF1@us.oracle.com> <878w29a5ns.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87zkup8qaw.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87eic14gfs.fsf@telefonica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286502629 6729 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2010 01:50:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 01:50:29 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 08 03:50:28 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P426N-0005EY-OL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 03:50:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45951 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P426N-0007vS-37 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:50:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37670 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P425m-0007Zk-7Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:49:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P41ut-0003eS-1y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:38:38 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:49766) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P41us-0003eL-Mg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 21:38:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P41un-0003V1-DU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 03:38:29 +0200 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no ([84.215.34.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 03:38:29 +0200 Original-Received: from larsi by cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 03:38:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 14 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEURAAMQAAI8MTAWAweZ nJMTAQXekRltAAACSUlEQVQ4jXWUuZqrMAyFlRD6iKUfjOgDxv0gi55g/P6vcmVnmeWbK4gJ/n2O hIgDI+IdsZZXLPgIyGNfm1d06X4fEe5Nh42MNNaMjCL90iy1MMJ1XpBkka7iVhR4BZUIwpZAlUEt uFS8NL7p6A4TLWrhE6gUIC8zX8ZmhMJ4BSxLwxWNCRAfCdyMrkdWBzpT9wCXsUawnAAmcHkAQ1po CzWbdlWwHjTPw1rzwtR4BLCe2qTwM83T6imBSj4AioXqpGCieV9FzKefC+EI5y9AZwXs12M8S4Sd KSQrY4iMX3f2TB3SALuI861hUon4tWQW6fAywCwy+I0TUJ/PNgGJxwDHxzHwlXnWgrS2yDLsApce mmEfuPQZwAvcFBxuZ9mZD08eaH2Aj7mH2Wl6kgRWIO9YbBAdgGKh88TTSj6St6KAhS1MZTDWTL21 +tHTGGt76i0UzsUQ7PtX4q2GCxZCUGCfwH8H0cYYQ543vp8ysFGBu0WA0Le2nzr1z0A9QHVJkbKa Xo+3lY5bGTUHp8Nk4B6KDd7JTU6uFgnEDUr3rVz3Att2jT+fI6Q0qoiQc2Sj53Nk8FAyGTORyVZP 8PjysyVPq3R9b5z+F/hD4dp0JUOip+6okMxTua54rklV2HfAs+zUubjF6MIXsLkw7WQJWKaGpu46 eEl1dam7OzXohG3MCn1XwZ4gRsQr6OwJscxAc7o7XssNQOc1WmwTuJVbaXVxqRo46f8HXrEIYG7m 3EVTd2ii2XWsR72pHJg/g/4HjAOHv6O9ap7yH7BM3VGLgtEMAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: A. C. Marias's _One of Our Girls (Has Gone Missing)_: "Looks Like" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:LQ8TI9APRjInU2ZjQAU0HC+Yqhg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131458 Archived-At: Óscar Fuentes writes: >> That's even more annoying. I hate having my cursor keys rebound to >> surprising actions. > > What would be the unsurprising (and not useless) behavior here? Leaving the cursor keys to behave like normal, for instance? That would be very unsurprising, but the usefulness is debatable. Sometimes avoiding driving the user crazy is better than maximum usefulness. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen