From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: lexicons Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:27:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375280828 15406 80.91.229.3 (31 Jul 2013 14:27:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 31 16:27:10 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V4XMs-0002zA-7I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:27:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43068 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V4XMr-0002nU-RF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:27:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56759) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V4XMi-0002n1-Hi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:27:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V4Wba-0007rh-Q4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:38:24 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:37206) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V4Td4-0007iO-FZ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:27:38 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1V4Tcs-000524-8U; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:27:26 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEUUFREKBAMpRjEeNSIZ Jhx8jn09XEkn8GSCAAACb0lEQVQ4jXWUQXPaMBCF11OnZ0xwzlRydA5e4bONVc5MktU5EdX+/5/Q XQk6zUwrM2D7874nvZWB7j8DoINm00CzNADy2QSYlwIyx3eORO8f8hUpy/GrZ+rgtPc/dqMZ9nsc vfWNnEJ/pAa6NpQBsPr6C11//NnAjpmJKSZLMuSCTdPTsYOt3CfO5Aauw5hl89FtBGQFka7uTpb+ 0mmFKtAX8ESXP0COZCpISxdlVgrEJjJfxxtZOlKQKbF5jhwtmkqWnpZOAaVxklVfCyAFjZrLhBIa 0brieAdEFVyDoTeDiMZxrKB48LD6/B7Q2dGVWfVLkaJXDPMM62lMXwBnRpy/MabJ4g2o+Xc9dTRe 2Y7qIVc/SqMkxOhEbmI/ClNwKGA3cpwyxektTIxqkg5bZwSszklTyRh/Zl9MDmW6u3B61hZdjXfJ r6ZIPRRQ7tObHfjVr2MB9ClSp1xAtPKwl1Wy1QoBkzYka+4VJFs9HplrCV1xGoIEiYcnZskqsW6y IoYhrH8DLijSa4AQ0KCmC/DouFrIAzO0AdEvZU/vRld8DVawIh5KxS6cczTGKni5gacC5lN+Q1N2 yB7UZD10zxcBbSsx4SiNdAWEVSqCSrWTHfR+sjMoWdVj1hAlhUmmZfQ1UJfDLqBWOE5pyrJDJRDp fq2oQHqbk7E6I5Sym9SqYIrGDQUIWfrjcYbH0uazvC+qpOMOtGdmSppgBX7pTw8AWwEW0frQ3gAu m/wh20fikDm2YYZ7SY1EgK4LWqF30H8WjwE2hUi2d7A87GHrRWQD7aBwrR79JUujZEWzqHgtEjFZ TLMlauGf/0nnl/Y3UuYD0V+TtckAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Xiu Xiu + Eugene S. Robinson's _Sal Mineo_: "Absolutely No Dispute" X-Hashcash: 1:23:130731:rms@gnu.org::+q/Am/MkYSJyz/wp:0000002LEv X-Hashcash: 1:23:130731:emacs-devel@gnu.org::6gKqWlfaf/3XqXGy:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000J0uh X-Hashcash: 1:23:130731:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::bU6e/QdPoNwYmbOi:0000000000000000000000000000000000000/06A In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 30 Jul 2013 23:47:58 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1V4Tcs-000524-8U MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1375871246.35336@nmW4ms5QBWZE/QDeA00PLw X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:162295 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > So maybe the solution is simply to provide prefix shorthands. > Chose a "prefix char" (there's a good time for bikeshedding here), let's > say | for now. Then you could define (file-locally): > > prefixes-alist: '(("" "mypackage-") ("gs" "gnus-summary-")) > > and then use `|foo' as a shorthand for `mypackage-foo' and `gs|bar' as > a shorthand for `gnus-summary-bar'. That's a lot less typing and reading, but I feel that having several ways of denoting the same thing makes reading the code more difficult. Common Lisp has the concept of package nicknames, so you'll call the package `something-very-long-indeed', and have a nickname like `si'. So you're reading the code, seeing `si:bar', and you have to either know what it's a nickname for, or look it up at the package definition. And when you get a backtrace, it'll talk about `something-very-long-indeed:bar', which doesn't match up with the code you're reading. So I've stopped using package nicknames in Common Lisp. I think the prefix concept may have the same problem. (And we'd have to extend etags etc to parse this stuff, but that's perhaps a minor issue.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/