* Re: loading site start before .emacs [not found] <mailman.5898.1084833435.1061.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2004-05-17 23:08 ` David Kastrup 2004-05-18 2:19 ` Micha Feigin [not found] ` <mailman.5930.1084846695.1061.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2004-05-18 17:45 ` Stefan Monnier 1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2004-05-17 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw) Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> writes: > Is it possible (and are there any issues) to make the site startup > files load before .emacs? > > the desktop package seems to have problems with a lot of things if they > are not being loaded before desktop-read is called (I had issues with > ecp and now with preview-latex). What issues? preview-latex should work fine with desktop as long as the respective autoloads for AUCTeX (in tex-site.el) and preview-latex have already been defined. This is not about _loading_ those packages, but about providing the necessary load information when desktop-read decides to call upon them. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: loading site start before .emacs 2004-05-17 23:08 ` loading site start before .emacs David Kastrup @ 2004-05-18 2:19 ` Micha Feigin 2004-05-18 14:07 ` Harry Putnam [not found] ` <mailman.5930.1084846695.1061.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Micha Feigin @ 2004-05-18 2:19 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:08:46AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> writes: > > > Is it possible (and are there any issues) to make the site startup > > files load before .emacs? > > > > the desktop package seems to have problems with a lot of things if they > > are not being loaded before desktop-read is called (I had issues with > > ecp and now with preview-latex). > > What issues? preview-latex should work fine with desktop as long as > the respective autoloads for AUCTeX (in tex-site.el) and > preview-latex have already been defined. This is not about _loading_ > those packages, but about providing the necessary load information > when desktop-read decides to call upon them. > preview-latex is loaded automatically by the site file, so when I open new latex files it is available. When using desktop, unless I add (load "preview-latex") before desktop-read then preview latex is not available for latex files opened by desktop for some reason. It could be some other problem with the setup though. IIRC it did brake at some point, but I am not sure. > -- > David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum > _______________________________________________ > Help-gnu-emacs mailing list > Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: loading site start before .emacs 2004-05-18 2:19 ` Micha Feigin @ 2004-05-18 14:07 ` Harry Putnam 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Harry Putnam @ 2004-05-18 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> writes: > preview-latex is loaded automatically by the site file, so when I open > new latex files it is available. > > When using desktop, unless I add (load "preview-latex") before > desktop-read then preview latex is not available for latex files opened > by desktop for some reason. Here is something stolen from Kai G that might help, it leaves a message in `*Messages*' when something loads: Put it early in site-start.el ;; make loaded files give a message [from Kai] (defadvice load (before debug-log activate) (message "(Tip from Kai G): Now loading: %s" (locate-library (ad-get-arg 0)))) Might unravel what is loading when. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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* Re: loading site start before .emacs [not found] ` <mailman.5930.1084846695.1061.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2004-05-18 7:02 ` David Kastrup 2004-05-18 9:15 ` Tim X 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2004-05-18 7:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> writes: > On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:08:46AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> writes: > > > > > Is it possible (and are there any issues) to make the site startup > > > files load before .emacs? > > > > > > the desktop package seems to have problems with a lot of things if they > > > are not being loaded before desktop-read is called (I had issues with > > > ecp and now with preview-latex). > > > > What issues? preview-latex should work fine with desktop as long as > > the respective autoloads for AUCTeX (in tex-site.el) and > > preview-latex have already been defined. This is not about _loading_ > > those packages, but about providing the necessary load information > > when desktop-read decides to call upon them. > > > > preview-latex is loaded automatically by the site file, so when I open > new latex files it is available. Obviously false. preview-latex might be added into the load-path by your site file, but that appears to be about it. > When using desktop, unless I add (load "preview-latex") before > desktop-read then preview latex is not available for latex files > opened by desktop for some reason. (load "preview-latex") does not load preview-latex. Take a look at that file's contents. It merely defines the autoloads for preview-latex so that any references to preview-latex functions will then cause preview-latex to be loaded. In addition, it enters the preview-latex setup function into LaTeX-mode-hook. In short: preview-latex is most certainly not loaded, and not even initialized, automatically by the site file as you claim. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: loading site start before .emacs 2004-05-18 7:02 ` David Kastrup @ 2004-05-18 9:15 ` Tim X 2004-05-18 12:16 ` Micha Feigin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Tim X @ 2004-05-18 9:15 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes: David> Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> writes: >> On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:08:46AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> writes: >> > >> > > Is it possible (and are there any issues) to make the site >> startup > > files load before .emacs? >> > > >> > > the desktop package seems to have problems with a lot of >> things if they > > are not being loaded before desktop-read is >> called (I had issues with > > ecp and now with preview-latex). >> > >> > What issues? preview-latex should work fine with desktop as >> long as > the respective autoloads for AUCTeX (in tex-site.el) and >> > preview-latex have already been defined. This is not about >> _loading_ > those packages, but about providing the necessary load >> information > when desktop-read decides to call upon them. >> > >> >> preview-latex is loaded automatically by the site file, so when I >> open new latex files it is available. David> Obviously false. preview-latex might be added into the David> load-path by your site file, but that appears to be about it. >> When using desktop, unless I add (load "preview-latex") before >> desktop-read then preview latex is not available for latex files >> opened by desktop for some reason. David> (load "preview-latex") does not load preview-latex. Take a David> look at that file's contents. It merely defines the autoloads David> for preview-latex so that any references to preview-latex David> functions will then cause preview-latex to be loaded. In David> addition, it enters the preview-latex setup function into David> LaTeX-mode-hook. David> In short: preview-latex is most certainly not loaded, and not David> even initialized, automatically by the site file as you claim. I think some further evidence that the OP may be on the wrong track is that according to the emacs info pages, the site-startup.el file is loaded BEFORE the users .emacs file ,---- From The Init File, `~/.emacs' Info Node | Your site may also have a "site startup file"; this is named | `site-start.el', if it exists. Like `default.el', Emacs finds this | file via the standard search path for Lisp libraries. Emacs loads this | library before it loads your init file. To inhibit loading of this | library, use the option `-no-site-file'. *Note Initial Options::. `---- Tim -- Tim Cross The e-mail address on this message is FALSE (obviously!). My real e-mail is to a company in Australia called rapttech and my login is tcross - if you really need to send mail, you should be able to work it out! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: loading site start before .emacs 2004-05-18 9:15 ` Tim X @ 2004-05-18 12:16 ` Micha Feigin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Micha Feigin @ 2004-05-18 12:16 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 07:15:17PM +1000, Tim X wrote: > >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes: > > David> Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> writes: > >> On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:08:46AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > >> Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> writes: > >> > > >> > > Is it possible (and are there any issues) to make the site > >> startup > > files load before .emacs? > >> > > > >> > > the desktop package seems to have problems with a lot of > >> things if they > > are not being loaded before desktop-read is > >> called (I had issues with > > ecp and now with preview-latex). > >> > > >> > What issues? preview-latex should work fine with desktop as > >> long as > the respective autoloads for AUCTeX (in tex-site.el) and > >> > preview-latex have already been defined. This is not about > >> _loading_ > those packages, but about providing the necessary load > >> information > when desktop-read decides to call upon them. > >> > > >> > >> preview-latex is loaded automatically by the site file, so when I > >> open new latex files it is available. > > David> Obviously false. preview-latex might be added into the > David> load-path by your site file, but that appears to be about it. > > >> When using desktop, unless I add (load "preview-latex") before > >> desktop-read then preview latex is not available for latex files > >> opened by desktop for some reason. > > David> (load "preview-latex") does not load preview-latex. Take a > David> look at that file's contents. It merely defines the autoloads > David> for preview-latex so that any references to preview-latex > David> functions will then cause preview-latex to be loaded. In > David> addition, it enters the preview-latex setup function into > David> LaTeX-mode-hook. > > David> In short: preview-latex is most certainly not loaded, and not > David> even initialized, automatically by the site file as you claim. > > I think some further evidence that the OP may be on the wrong track is > that according to the emacs info pages, the site-startup.el file is > loaded BEFORE the users .emacs file > Thanks to the comments I found out my mistake. preview-latex is setup properly. I just used bad examples for setting up mode hooks and used setq instead of add-hood, which, if I understand correctly, removed previous hooks, and thus removed the preview latex hook. > ,---- From The Init File, `~/.emacs' Info Node > | Your site may also have a "site startup file"; this is named > | `site-start.el', if it exists. Like `default.el', Emacs finds this > | file via the standard search path for Lisp libraries. Emacs loads this > | library before it loads your init file. To inhibit loading of this > | library, use the option `-no-site-file'. *Note Initial Options::. > `---- > > Tim > > -- > Tim Cross > The e-mail address on this message is FALSE (obviously!). My real e-mail is > to a company in Australia called rapttech and my login is tcross - if you > really need to send mail, you should be able to work it out! > _______________________________________________ > Help-gnu-emacs mailing list > Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: loading site start before .emacs [not found] <mailman.5898.1084833435.1061.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2004-05-17 23:08 ` loading site start before .emacs David Kastrup @ 2004-05-18 17:45 ` Stefan Monnier 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2004-05-18 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw) > Is it possible (and are there any issues) to make the site startup > files load before .emacs? Use site-start.el instead of default.el. I find that default.el is almost never the right answer. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* loading site start before .emacs @ 2004-05-17 22:30 Micha Feigin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Micha Feigin @ 2004-05-17 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Is it possible (and are there any issues) to make the site startup files load before .emacs? the desktop package seems to have problems with a lot of things if they are not being loaded before desktop-read is called (I had issues with ecp and now with preview-latex). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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