From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: no-spam@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: EmacsW32 invocation options Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 00:09:14 +0200 Message-ID: References: <59osrdF2m97hgU1@mid.individual.net> <4637A396.9000300@gmail.com> <46383B57.6050508@gmail.com> <4638EE03.8000602@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178316587 11106 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2007 22:09:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 22:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 05 00:09:46 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hk5yD-0001om-Ph for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 00:09:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk64t-0004Tf-IU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 18:16:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk64g-0004Ta-7X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 18:16:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk64f-0004TN-3x for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 18:16:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hk64e-0004TK-U6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 May 2007 18:16:24 -0400 Original-Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.237]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hk5xx-0003vt-CP; Fri, 04 May 2007 18:09:29 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (0x503e2644.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [80.62.38.68]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F9B38A000B; Sat, 5 May 2007 00:09:26 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri\, 04 May 2007 11\:00\:40 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.98 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43701 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I don't see how someone using the freedom of GPL should be accused of >> being destructive, just because he does something you don't approve of. > > Kim, I hope you've read this thread before responding, because you've > taken one phrase out of context and jumped the gun on it. I did try to follow the arguments - but the discussion was going around in circles, and was becoming quite personal. Accusing Lennart of being destructive was unjustified IMHO. > (He might be better off choosing a less radical word than > ``destructive'', but then he's not a native English speaker, so we all > might cut him some slack.) Neither am I :-) > The issue is how to use this freedom in > the best interests of the community at large. Lennart obviously believes that he is helping _part of_ the community to a better Emacs experience. > In this case, Lennart's attitude to put into his distribution every > patch he finds useful, but cannot convince the Emacs developers to > accept, is IMO not the best use of that freedom. It is confusing to > users who expect Emacs to behave as documented and to do that > consistently on all platforms. IMO, we have to balance this "cross-platform consistency" with the user's expectation of "Emacs working seamlessly on _my_ platform". > And it's an attitude that smells of > schism and forking, which many of us will not approve, because it > diminishes the already small group of active developers by spreading > their insufficient resources between several competing projects. So why don't we try to find ways to accomodate people like Lennart who really wants to contribute, but whose ideas are too radical to be the default behaviour? E.g. by supporting two installation options a) maximum cross-platform consistency b) maximum adaptation to current platform APIs. > Sure, he does, and he deserves a lot of credit and thanks for that. > As does Juanma, btw, who made emacslient work on Windows to begin > with. Sure. I never said or meant otherwise. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk