does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[sTeeL]

hi, all
i am using emacs-unicode-2(23.0.0.1) branch for a long time, yesterday i occasionly searched 

on web and found a "23.0.0.50" version emacs, which seems is emacs-multi-tty branch, and it 

does not include any unicode support, does  emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

And, I love emacs-multi-tty but can't find any multi-tty patch for emacs-unicode-2 branch, any

suggestion? 

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Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52 (was: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?)

[Leo]

On 2007-09-04 01:35 +0100, sTeeL wrote:
> hi, all
> i am using emacs-unicode-2(23.0.0.1) branch for a long time, yesterday i occasionly searched 
>
> on web and found a "23.0.0.50" version emacs, which seems is emacs-multi-tty branch, and it 
>
> does not include any unicode support, does  emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?
>
> And, I love emacs-multi-tty but can't find any multi-tty patch for emacs-unicode-2 branch, any
>
> suggestion? 

People are confused by the version. Since trunk is 23.0.50, mtty branch
is 23.0.51, I wonder if it will make more sense to bump unicode2 branch
to 23.0.52.

HTH,
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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Harald Hanche-Olsen]

+ sTeeL <mail.list.steel.mental@gmail.com>:

> hi, all

> i am using emacs-unicode-2(23.0.0.1) branch for a long time,
> yesterday i occasionly searched on web and found a "23.0.0.50"
> version emacs, which seems is emacs-multi-tty branch,

Hmm, I didn't know they had already merged the multi-tty branch into
the trunk.  That is good news.

> and it does not include any unicode support, does emacs-unicode-2
> branch stop developing?

No, I don't think so.

> And, I love emacs-multi-tty but can't find any multi-tty patch for
> emacs-unicode-2 branch, any suggestion?

Just sit tight and wait.  The intention is to merge the
emacs-unicode-2 branch into the trunk as well, but such work is
nontrivial so it might take a while.  And before you ask, predicting
the timing of progress on free software is an essentially impossible
task.  It could happen next week, or it could take another year.
Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.

(I do not have inside information; I just happen to have been looking
at the emacs-devel archives lately.)

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  when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true.
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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[sTeeL]

thanks!:)
hope it won't take too mush time before unicode and multi-tty 

merge togather, :)

Harald Hanche-Olsen <hanche@math.ntnu.no> writes:

> + sTeeL <mail.list.steel.mental@gmail.com>:
>
>> hi, all
>
>> i am using emacs-unicode-2(23.0.0.1) branch for a long time,
>> yesterday i occasionly searched on web and found a "23.0.0.50"
>> version emacs, which seems is emacs-multi-tty branch,
>
> Hmm, I didn't know they had already merged the multi-tty branch into
> the trunk.  That is good news.
>
>> and it does not include any unicode support, does emacs-unicode-2
>> branch stop developing?
>
> No, I don't think so.
>
>> And, I love emacs-multi-tty but can't find any multi-tty patch for
>> emacs-unicode-2 branch, any suggestion?
>
> Just sit tight and wait.  The intention is to merge the
> emacs-unicode-2 branch into the trunk as well, but such work is
> nontrivial so it might take a while.  And before you ask, predicting
> the timing of progress on free software is an essentially impossible
> task.  It could happen next week, or it could take another year.
> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
>
> (I do not have inside information; I just happen to have been looking
> at the emacs-devel archives lately.)
>
> -- 
> * Harald Hanche-Olsen     <URL:http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/>
> - It is undesirable to believe a proposition
>   when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true.
>   -- Bertrand Russell
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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 04.09.2007 um 09:27 schrieb Harald Hanche-Olsen:

> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.

No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.

GNU Emacs 23.0.50 behaves badly on Mac OS X, not co-operating with  
ttys in *shell* buffer and producing a Carbon Emacs that crashes when  
choosing anything with the mouse.

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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[William Xu]

Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:

>> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
>> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
>
> No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.

You meant multi-tty-unicode together? Which branch is that? 

The branches really become a mess..

-- 
William

Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Harald Hanche-Olsen]

+ Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>:

> Am 04.09.2007 um 09:27 schrieb Harald Hanche-Olsen:
>
>> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
>> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
>
> No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.

Well, of course!  I had assumed that would go without saying.
But you cannot have both in a single running emacs image.
(If I'm wrong about /that/, I'll be damned ...)

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  when there is no ground whatsoever for supposing it is true.
  -- Bertrand Russell

Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52

[Sean Sieger]

   People are confused by the version. Since trunk is 23.0.50, mtty branch
   is 23.0.51, I wonder if it will make more sense to bump unicode2 branch
   to 23.0.52.

Confused by the the version and the name of the branch--did the name
change from emacs-unicode-2 to emacs-unicode-base?

Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 04.09.2007 um 09:27 schrieb Harald Hanche-Olsen:

> Hmm, I didn't know they had already merged the multi-tty branch into
> the trunk.  That is good news.

What is so good about it? Info-apropos returns nothing ...

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Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 04.09.2007 um 11:48 schrieb Sean Sieger:

>
>    People are confused by the version. Since trunk is 23.0.50, mtty  
> branch
>    is 23.0.51, I wonder if it will make more sense to bump unicode2  
> branch
>    to 23.0.52.
>
> Confused by the the version and the name of the branch--did the name
> change from emacs-unicode-2 to emacs-unicode-base?
>

http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/emacs/emacs/?pathrev=emacs- 
unicode-2 does not show that branch name ...

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Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52

[dhruva]

Hi,

On 9/4/07, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@web.de> wrote:
>
> Am 04.09.2007 um 11:48 schrieb Sean Sieger:
>
> >
> >    People are confused by the version. Since trunk is 23.0.50, mtty
> > branch
> >    is 23.0.51, I wonder if it will make more sense to bump unicode2
> > branch
> >    to 23.0.52.
> >
> > Confused by the the version and the name of the branch--did the name
> > change from emacs-unicode-2 to emacs-unicode-base?
> >
>
> http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/emacs/emacs/?pathrev=emacs-
> unicode-2 does not show that branch name ...
>

From the web CVS front end, 'emacs-unicode-base' is a NON branch tag
(just a simple TAG). The valid UNICODE related branch tag is
'emacs-unicode-2' (earlier branch was emacs-unicode). The UNICODE
maintainer is the best person to clarify though.

-dky

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Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52

[Kenichi Handa]

The branch tag for Unicode version of Emacs is
emacs-unicode-2.  It's very unfortunate that it is not yet
merged into the trunk.  I hope that Richard decides to that
soon.  In this May, he said that he wanted one or two months
to decide which feature to include in Emacs 22.2 before
merging emacs-unicode-2.

Those who want to distinguish the trunk version and
emacs-unicode-2 version, please check the variable
mule-version.

The trunk: "5.0 (SAKAKI)"
emacs-unicode-2: "6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO)"

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In article <e3f230850709040339m10d697b1h97226b30c9fb8d38@mail.gmail.com>, dhruva <dhruvakm@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi,
> On 9/4/07, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@web.de> wrote:
> >
> > Am 04.09.2007 um 11:48 schrieb Sean Sieger:
> >
> > >
> > >    People are confused by the version. Since trunk is 23.0.50, mtty
> > > branch
> > >    is 23.0.51, I wonder if it will make more sense to bump unicode2
> > > branch
> > >    to 23.0.52.
> > >
> > > Confused by the the version and the name of the branch--did the name
> > > change from emacs-unicode-2 to emacs-unicode-base?
> > >
> >
> > http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/emacs/emacs/?pathrev=emacs-
> > unicode-2 does not show that branch name ...
> >

> >From the web CVS front end, 'emacs-unicode-base' is a NON branch tag
> (just a simple TAG). The valid UNICODE related branch tag is
> 'emacs-unicode-2' (earlier branch was emacs-unicode). The UNICODE
> maintainer is the best person to clarify though.

> -dky

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Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52 (was: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?)

[Richard Stallman]

    People are confused by the version. Since trunk is 23.0.50, mtty branch
    is 23.0.51, I wonder if it will make more sense to bump unicode2 branch
    to 23.0.52.

The multi-tty branch is dead now, right?  We already merged it into
the trunk.

Maybe we should change the number of unicode2, but I don't
see it will solve a problem.  It already does have a version
number that is different.  The point is that we need to stop
saying "Emacs 23" and say either "trunk" or "unicode-2".

Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52

[Richard Stallman]

I wanted to release Emacs 22.2 in August, but this release is delayed
because of bugs waiting to be fixed.

Those for which I have sent two reminders are listed in
admin/FOR-RELEASE.  Some others may be listed there too.  But there
are probably several more which have not had two reminders that are
not listed in FOR-RELEASE.  You can find them in messages from me to
emacs-devel that say "ack".

Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52

[Glenn Morris]

Kenichi Handa wrote:

> The branch tag for Unicode version of Emacs is emacs-unicode-2. It's
> very unfortunate that it is not yet merged into the trunk. I hope
> that Richard decides to that soon.

I interpret this message:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-09/msg00180.html

   What we need to do now is merge the multi-tty changes into the
   Unicode-2 branch, then install the Unicode-2 changes into the
   trunk.

to mean that he has already decided, and that you should go ahead at
your convenience.

> In this May, he said that he wanted one or two months to decide
> which feature to include in Emacs 22.2 before merging
> emacs-unicode-2.

This reason (keeping trunk and release branch similar) cannot apply
any more. After the merge of multi-tty to the trunk, the trunk and
release branch differ significantly.

Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Xavier Maillard]

   + Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>:

   > Am 04.09.2007 um 09:27 schrieb Harald Hanche-Olsen:
   >
   >> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
   >> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
   >
   > No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.

   Well, of course!  I had assumed that would go without saying.
   But you cannot have both in a single running emacs image.
   (If I'm wrong about /that/, I'll be damned ...)

This is possible given the fact unicode-2 is a branch that, I
guess, is synced against TRUNK. So it may be harder to do but it
is doable.

	Xavier
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Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52 (was: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?)

[Xavier Maillard]

Hi Leo,

   People are confused by the version. Since trunk is 23.0.50, mtty branch
   is 23.0.51, I wonder if it will make more sense to bump unicode2 branch
   to 23.0.52.

I thought mtty branch was dead since it has been merged into the
trunk. So why not ditch it completely. Second, are we sure
unicode2 branch will be merged before GNU Emacs 23.x ? If so, I
would stick 23.0.51 to unicode2. If not, I would prefer have
something like 24.0.51.

	Xavier
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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Xavier Maillard]

   Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:

   >> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more important
   >> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
   >
   > No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.

   You meant multi-tty-unicode together? Which branch is that? 

I guess he talks about TRUNK (or HEAD) and unicode-2.

	Xavier
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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Xavier Maillard]

Hi,

   on web and found a "23.0.0.50" version emacs, which seems is emacs-multi-tty branch, and it 
   does not include any unicode support, does  emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

I guess that merging multi-tty first was the first step. Next
will be the inclusion of the unicode branch.

You'll have to wait till that merge happens (or try to extract a
patch from TRUNK by yourself).

	Xavier
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Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52

[David Kastrup]

Xavier Maillard <xma@gnu.org> writes:

> Hi Leo,
>
>    People are confused by the version. Since trunk is 23.0.50, mtty branch
>    is 23.0.51, I wonder if it will make more sense to bump unicode2 branch
>    to 23.0.52.
>
> I thought mtty branch was dead since it has been merged into the
> trunk. So why not ditch it completely.

What do you mean by "ditching"?  It should remain in CVS so that one
can track its history.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52

[David Kastrup]

Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:

> Kenichi Handa wrote:
>
>> The branch tag for Unicode version of Emacs is emacs-unicode-2. It's
>> very unfortunate that it is not yet merged into the trunk. I hope
>> that Richard decides to that soon.
>
> I interpret this message:
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-09/msg00180.html
>
>    What we need to do now is merge the multi-tty changes into the
>    Unicode-2 branch, then install the Unicode-2 changes into the
>    trunk.
>
> to mean that he has already decided, and that you should go ahead at
> your convenience.

Backing out multitty changes that we decide we don't want, or changing
implementation details will be easier if we don't make a major merge
from another branch before we are finished with dealing with the
pending one.

At least that's what I think.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 04.09.2007 um 11:07 schrieb William Xu:

> Peter Dyballa writes:
>
>>> Meanwhile, I am afraid you have to choose whichever is more  
>>> important
>>> to you:  multi-tty or native unicode.
>>
>> No. It's possible to have both and to update both from CVS.
>
> You meant multi-tty-unicode together? Which branch is that?

It does not yet exist.

>
> The branches really become a mess..
>

Indeed! It seems not to be documented what this multi-tty feature is  
and what it might be good for. The question is whether the multi-tty  
patches can be integrated into the unicode-2 branch with reasonable  
effort. If it's possible and does not disturb the additions to  
Unicode Emacs (use of libfontconfig and libXft and use of modern  
OpenType fonts) then it's probably only a question of time when the  
multi-tty patches will have infiltrated Unicode Emacs.


Who needs the multi-tty feature? And what is it actually good for?

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Re: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?

[Mark Plaksin]

Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:

> Who needs the multi-tty feature? And what is it actually good for?

It gives screen-like functionality to Emacs.  You can have as many X-
and tty-based frames as you want.  It's great for connecting to an Emacs
instance that's already running.  I've been using it for years and love
it.

I start Emacs inside a screen session on my desktop at work.  Then I
start an X frame and use that when I'm at work.  When I'm at home I ssh
to my work desktop and connect to my running Emacs instance with
'emacsclient -t'.

Here's the main author's page about it:
http://lorentey.hu/project/emacs.html.en

Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52

[Richard Stallman]

    Backing out multitty changes that we decide we don't want, or changing
    implementation details will be easier if we don't make a major merge
    from another branch before we are finished with dealing with the
    pending one.

That is true, but I don't think we will have to change anything
fundamental in the multi-tty code.  We have a few bugs to fix,
and need clear documentation.

We would only need to back it out
if nobody writes the needed documentation.

Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52 (was: does emacs-unicode-2 branch stop developing?)

[Xavier Maillard]

Hi,

       People are confused by the version. Since trunk is 23.0.50, mtty branch
       is 23.0.51, I wonder if it will make more sense to bump unicode2 branch
       to 23.0.52.

   The multi-tty branch is dead now, right?  We already merged it into
   the trunk.

Dead and dropped ?

   The point is that we need to stop saying "Emacs 23" and say
   either "trunk" or "unicode-2".

I agree, that's enough to distinguish them.

	Xavier
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Re: Bumpe unicode2 branch version to 23.0.52

[Xavier Maillard]

   > I thought mtty branch was dead since it has been merged into the
   > trunk. So why not ditch it completely.

   What do you mean by "ditching"?  It should remain in CVS so that one
   can track its history.

You are right.

	Xavier
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