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From: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: document package.el
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:40:17 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3tymntofy.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83r5hrol3f.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:51:32 +0300")

>>>>> "Eli" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

Eli> Most environments that have Emacs also have the external programs
Eli> needed for the other formats.

... but some don't.

Eli> "Only packagers"?  What about a package I downloaded from elsewhere?
Eli> I don't expect many packages nowadays to come in a .tar format.

I don't know what packages you could possibly mean.

Packages for use with package.el must be packaged according to the rules
imposed by package.el.  Of these rules, use of .tar is a trivial one,
the other impose a lot more burden.

Users of package.el generally install packages from the package archive,
via the package menu mode.  They don't generally just download random
.tar files.  And, if they did -- so what?  The .tar is just the
distribution format.

Tom> +  If the package has an info manual, you should distribute the needed
Tom> +info files, plus a @file{dir} file made with @command{install-info}.

Eli> Not clear why the `dir' file is needed.  Are you trying to support
Eli> users that don't have install-info on their systems?

Tom> Yes.

Eli> Why?

My goal in writing package.el was a seamless user experience.  I tried
hard to minimize the number of error modes that a user could see.
Hence:

* Use of .tar and not anything else, even .tar.gz -- because .tar can be
  unpacked entirely in elisp.
* Use of package dependencies, to make it so you can't install a package
  and have it not work.
* Before I upload a package I also generally make a point of looking at
  how it is activated, looking at least for autoload cookies.

The general theme is to make packagers do a bit more work so that users
get a better experience.

Tom



  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-22  1:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-06 22:42 document package.el Tom Tromey
2010-08-06 23:48 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-08-09 16:22   ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-07  1:43 ` Christoph
2010-08-07  8:57   ` Geralt
2010-08-09 16:23   ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-26 23:27   ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-26 23:50     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-27  3:14       ` Christoph
2010-08-27  5:51         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-27  3:12     ` Christoph
2010-08-27  7:07     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-27 21:40       ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-08-28 17:34         ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-27  6:43   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-27 15:51     ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-27 16:17     ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-27 21:43     ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-27 22:58       ` Christoph
2010-08-28  7:25         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-07  7:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-08 22:39   ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-09 16:24     ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-21 18:22   ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-21 18:51     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22  1:40       ` Tom Tromey [this message]
2010-08-08 23:06 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-09 21:13   ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-21 18:37   ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-25 17:24     ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-25 17:34       ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-25 17:35         ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-17 14:37 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-17 15:57   ` Tom Tromey

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