From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Turning off colorization Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 02:30:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87a944cm3x.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83r3xfs8mx.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3xeqfa9.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1415496654 30501 80.91.229.3 (9 Nov 2014 01:30:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 01:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: James Cloos Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 09 02:30:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XnHL5-0007m6-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 02:30:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37264 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XnHL4-0007nn-Jr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:30:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33513) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XnHKu-0007nh-TJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:30:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XnHKp-00042a-G5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:30:36 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:36465) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XnHKp-00042N-7Y; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:30:31 -0500 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XnHKV-00060q-6x; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 02:30:11 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEUFBAgCAgWsjaQPDhAe HCMHBgkJCQoIBwlLn2KkAAACd0lEQVQ4jW2TMW/bMBCFT02YrOLgdC0Eo7Mbysrc2HFWps1JqwGa xzVBK/Lv9x2VpAZaAqbt+/jeO1IU7f+O9dlvR5j6/X8GnS0SkfAvcE4CiEDe92fAKQBxQ794v4Ft cIOulzCkfu8+wIadfIzwF+zMWNfHXMlp9w42zGMtLSBpiIIds5LIrNVZyvNuAdtaDxKrVS6S36z8 GNWKx5iKJPU7VfBgYKMAViVLwidUsKUaPQpH2EiCTCoYyIxc86PMJaeSMjZJ+8PGewCNiUgoqM/8 e0/9AU0ZVHXWrlKZ/fRrT06G6I2Hj4EMYUXmKSUFTrxHAN92XXeH7IAc6cmNTtgYc3xGvVtPac6z 59LTwIEV+HsF3SGxKS8FisMIQMSXtd59LcxlwoOk7dhHNuR/LGA98qTNnWiIgT3Rm1PXxSli5yEg Q53Id+/Amyy4AVBgPcY72BISBoFiVAEZLardloteFke4Nv5cITNuygKGSGfh2DqyXV8B2qXbt3YF EgiwczeMUPCnBXxhM+cFDEPd+dUCHnEiqsAGcW1qevVaGxy+PpUTuUxN01gilax9MTxl3Ag9duNN Y21rxvvuu/XX7HmS5Gg3qpO19qppWrvyajtJxj42nhoFbG1jWzBrpjw6CgAoWzrq3NqWGlyU4EgO K2psg/+2jhatI9tR7NsjavDX9ZZbNhoRKJ2+xXeA76fWmFIudgCXD6unurpRhb1JU5mDE4oXe0uL e025GUqGk9Bx1W/aBdT5cygvMpRrSvb02Hy0BDuJN+7u9ZruXn/uXq1pPkS5CXALtCmrfvtknhbQ 2ukluyPeKdrk616Pnrz6oVV9EXDufwDCXRupsirZHQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Knifehandchop's _TKO From Tokyo_: "I Hate Your Fucking Face" X-Hashcash: 1:23:141109:nljlistbox2@gmail.com::X6qZgR2QeK7Xkq2U:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000548v X-Hashcash: 1:23:141109:emacs-devel@gnu.org::v++4iAIuoFhH6dyJ:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000005nq2 X-Hashcash: 1:23:141109:rms@gnu.org::nNWVNUuSJ2XttOJB:000000eUiW X-Hashcash: 1:23:141109:cloos@jhcloos.com::fFy1W7RrOSebaK1e:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000keZ6 X-Hashcash: 1:23:141109:eliz@gnu.org::mBTD/sRpmL0WOwHX:00000+o86 In-Reply-To: (James Cloos's message of "Sat, 08 Nov 2014 17:51:05 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1XnHKV-00060q-6x MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1416101411.80795@7/SmBZl7aPOa+wUVRN4NAw X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:176602 Archived-At: James Cloos writes: > LMI> If I understand correctly, this is an issue with Emacs running under a > LMI> terminal? > > Not only. I also see it for some html mail in an athena frame. I don't know what that is. > Some colour changes are OK, but the backgound should be untouched. HTML should be rendered in a clear manner that tries to adhere to the HTML being presented. Background colours sometimes have meaning -- like blocks of text being presented with particular background colour to convey a warning. If you have an example HTML document that shr or eww renders in an illegible manner under X, OS X or Windows, please file a bug report that includes the example document. But if it's about rendering text under a terminal, I think the best general fix is to disable all colourisation unless Emacs can determine what the background colour actually is. This is a general problem that has plagued Emacs' colour selection thing for yonks, but hasn't really been addressed. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no