From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Robert Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32722: [O] bug#32722: bug#32722: 26.1; Org-publish depend on non-free platform ? Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <531a7f93882cc0d5d09700457d06ea082f47569b.camel@flqt.fr> <83sh2ck42e.fsf@gnu.org> <87va73gn90.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Reply-To: rjhorniii@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537288746 3281 195.159.176.226 (18 Sep 2018 16:39:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:39:06 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 26.1 Cc: kaushal.modi@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, Nicolas Goaziou , 32722@debbugs.gnu.org To: Nicolas Floquet Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 18 18:39:02 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2J1h-0000gi-IF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:39:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41287 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2J3o-00058W-13 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:41:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37153) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2J3h-00058N-2H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:41:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2J3d-0007H6-RN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:41:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:40401) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2J3d-0007GH-Mu; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:41:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2J3d-0000Kz-Jc; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:41:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Robert Horn Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32722 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,org-mode X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 32722-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32722.15372888171238 (code B ref 32722); Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:41:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32722) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2018 16:40:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44659 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2J2u-0000Jt-UG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:40:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailbackend.panix.com ([166.84.1.89]:60491) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2J0U-0000Fw-Uk for 32722@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:37:47 -0400 Original-Received: from quad (panix2.panix.com [166.84.1.2]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3138537E33; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:37:46 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:40:15 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:150411 Archived-At: Nicolas Floquet writes: > Actually, it's an ethical issue. That are not always easily solved with > technical solutions, I guess=E2=80=A6 > Perhaps you could clarify the ethical issues. The initial RMS comment on this issue in this thread is: /* from RMS email Emacs should not advise people to load anything from outside Emacs (counting ELPA). So this needs to be deleted. If htmlize is useful, we should put it into Emacs. Is there some obstacle to that? */ I can hypothesize various ethical, marketing, operational, and user experience reasons for not advising people to load ... Could you explain the ethical issue(s) that are of specific concern. Further from RMS was the suggested technical fix /* from RMS email later in thread To motivate people to do this, I say we shouild not ship another release with that reference to GitHub. Eli, do you agree? */ This makes it clearly the reference to Github that is the concern. I could accept a change such as replacing that reference with text saying "use ???? to find html..." I'm not sure what to suggest since Google, duck-duck-go, and other search engines are all commercial non-free operations. Rehosting onto a free platform, perhaps gnu.org, might be an option. A simple mirror onto a free platform might suffice. Linux, python, and other major open source efforts deal with platform issues by providing their own primary distribution platform. I can seem some ethical concerns with using a proprietary platform. Git was created due to problems with a dependency on a proprietary platform, although in that case it was more related to a divergence in business strategic directions than ethical issues. -- Robert Horn rjhorniii@gmail.com