From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:39:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: <459BB893.9010106@gnu.org> <8764bns96l.fsf@cs.cmu.edu> <459CE689.3020006@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1168004386 26965 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2007 13:39:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, jan.h.d@swipnet.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, md5i@cs.cmu.edu, jasonr@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 05 14:39:43 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H2pIL-0005Ny-BZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:39:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H2pIK-000426-IN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:39:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H2pHu-0003zj-O0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:39:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H2pHr-0003xC-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:39:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H2pHq-0003wk-LW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:39:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.41.46.236] (helo=pfepb.post.tele.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2pHf-0000ld-4M; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:38:59 -0500 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (unknown [80.165.4.124]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1587DA50050; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:38:50 +0100 (CET) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu\, 04 Jan 2007 17\:34\:23 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:64822 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > So is Ctrl-C/V/X really part of CUA at all? > > If you enable CUA mode it is :-) > > There is a miscommunication here. He is not asking about the Emacs > CUA mode. He's asking about what was in the spec that the MS Windows > designers started with. I did understand that ... it was a joke! > > Lennart Borgman wrote: > > I found someone saying that is was added in CUA 2.0. I have a vauge > memory of seeing something like that before too. > > If that is true, what was the date of CUA 2.0? And did MS Windows > copy those commands from CUA 2.0? Why does it matter whether it was IBM, Apple or M$ who invented the C-z C-x C-c C-v shortcuts (and thus broke compatibility with Emacs)? No matter what we think or feel, or whether history is on our side, most "modern" applications use these bindings -- including GNOME, KDE and Firefox, so today it is Emacs which is "incompatible" with "common practice". That's a fact, and trying to blame "the designers of CUA" for creating a consistent (and IMHO excellent) interface is plain silly IMO. So for users who like the consistency with their other application, Emacs 22 has CUA mode which provide the functionality without breaking existing Emacs bindings. So IMO (but I'm biased of course), there's no reason to have a negative attitude towards CUA at all -- if people like those bindings, just use them. And that's it. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk