From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs should have a good web-browser Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:22:57 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1251656634 18270 80.91.229.12 (30 Aug 2009 18:23:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier , martin rudalics Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 30 20:23:46 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Mhp44-0004MI-0g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:23:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51064 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mhp43-0004Gd-8c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:23:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mhp3X-00043L-2y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:23:11 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mhp3S-00041L-AT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:23:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35767 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mhp3S-00041F-4S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:23:06 -0400 Original-Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]:58733) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mhp3O-0001tK-Iv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:23:02 -0400 Original-Received: from iph2.telenor.se (195.54.127.133) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 49F5A1520315AE1B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:23:00 +0200 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: joakvero X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvFsANtgmkpT44qWPGdsb2JhbACbGgEBAQE3uT6EGgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,299,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="39401927" Original-Received: from ua-83-227-138-150.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO exodia) ([83.227.138.150]) by iph2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 30 Aug 2009 20:22:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (DIR-655.lan [192.168.200.113]) (authenticated bits=0) by exodia (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7UIMv3k019250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:22:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:24:49 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:114880 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> First, I would like to know if you agree about the reasons for having >> a web browser in Emacs (either as part of it or as an external lisp >> package). > > I'd like to see Emacs support things like javascript better, as well as > web-browsing. The Emacs/W3 way is sadly unworkable because of the > amount of effort this requires (compounded by the performance > limitations of Elisp). Embedding a whole web-browser like Firefox might > be a good direction, tho it's probably too coarse to be satisfactory. > E.g. I'd like to be able to use Emacs's own completion code when typing > the URL or when filling any text in the page. > > Maybe the most promising direction I can see is to try and make some > library (like webkit) render directly into an Emacs buffer (rather than > X11/Cairo/w32/plaintext/younameit). Still, to make it handle tables > properly, we may need to extend Emacs's rendering engine to better > support them (which would be handy in any case for various applications > like list-buffer which should columns of data). > Would it be posible to consolidate one or the other of the window groups proposals, and tables? That is, a table cell is somewhat like an Emacs window. I played a little bit with having firefox print to pdf, and render pdf to ascii, and view that in emacs, but it didnt look very good. Better tables would likely help. > Stefan > -- Joakim Verona