From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Move to git, now that bzr is no longer a req. 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X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167268 Archived-At: Bastien writes: > The question is whether we should edit them separately > from the commit messages, or if we should produce them > by (programmatically) extracting them from the commit > messages. If we decided on having a vc-log commit mode for Emacs that would enforce the ChangeLog style, then that would be interesting. But I don't really see a super-obvious way of implementing that. Here's a typical ChangeLog entry from a single commit (I think): 2013-12-27 Stefan Monnier * icomplete.el (icomplete-show-matches-on-no-input): Default to nil (bug#16251). * electric.el: Move all electric-pair-* to elec-pair.el. * elec-pair.el: New file, split from electric.el. When I edit stuff, I usually change a function, hit `C-x 4 a' (well, I have that bound to `Hyper-a'), type in what I did, then perhaps change the caller, and `C-x 4 a' again, and write what I did there. Then I commit what I've done. When I'm programming without a ChangeLog, I edit the first function, edit the second function, and then commit, writing a summary of what I did, but I don't mention the function names affected, for instance. So there's no way to reconstruct a full ChangeLog entry from a normal commit message, unless we make a `C-x 4 a' equivalent that works without an actual ChangeLog file. A temporary ChangeLog file? A temporary ChangeLog "vc check in" buffer? A different question is whether this style of change tracking is valuable or not... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no