From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 50, Issue 7 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:54:28 +0100 Message-ID: References: <459BB893.9010106@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167839703 2430 80.91.229.12 (3 Jan 2007 15:55:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 03 16:55:01 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H28SA-0004a5-IN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:54:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H28SA-0002tg-5Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:54:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H28Ry-0002sk-1s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:54:46 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H28Rw-0002rX-2T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:54:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H28Rv-0002rS-VE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:54:43 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.41.46.236] (helo=pfepb.post.tele.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H28Rr-0000oh-HK; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:54:39 -0500 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (unknown [80.165.4.124]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CFDDDA50053; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:54:16 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Jason Rumney In-Reply-To: <459BB893.9010106@gnu.org> (Jason Rumney's message of "Wed\, 03 Jan 2007 14\:07\:15 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:64693 Archived-At: Jason Rumney writes: > Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> This conflict arose because the designers of Windows >>> did not concern themselves with how Emacs used these characters. >>> > > I suggest that at least the above sentence must be removed, as it > incorrectly gives the designers of Windows credit for the CUA > standard. Well, it is a bit blurry whether C-z C-x C-c C-v is actually part of CUA. IIRC, they come from the Mac (or Lisa) as the "Apple+Z" etc keys, and since Apple made revisions to the CUA spec, these bindings ended up in Windoze as C-z etc. But it is right that M$ didn't invent CUA. > In fact, I suggest that advertising Windows in this text and including > it in a Windows specific section of the manual is inappropriate, as > many systems now use the control key as the default modifier for their > CUA keybindings (Gnome and KDE for example). Yes, although I seldom use Windoze for any serious work (expect reading my company mail) I still prefer to use the CUA bindings to be compatible with a lot of other FREE applications that I use -- and Windoze when I have to :-). So this basically has _nothing_ to do with Windoze as such ... it has something to do with the majority of "modern" gui applications which are (more or less) CUA compliant. So I agree that this is the wrong part of the Manual to put this info. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk