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From: joakim@verona.se
To: Ken Hori <fplemma@gmail.com>
Cc: "Emacs Dev \[emacs-devel\]" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Efforts to attract more users?
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:44:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3r5ject99.fsf@verona.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimWNgfakgH4RuYrzpMtZC7l8QA5-6eRlI5O6x1s@mail.gmail.com> (Ken Hori's message of "Wed, 7 Jul 2010 22:31:22 -0700")

Ken Hori <fplemma@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm not sure if Emacs is attracting new users the way it used to be.
> Certainly search volume has been going downhill for more than several years
> (http://www.google.com/trends?q=emacs), and yet I don't hear this issue being
> addressed here strongly enough.  I hate to ask pedestrian sort of a question
> like this, but are there any efforts specifically to attract more users?
>
> Thanks.

I dont know of any organized effort.

I do try to attract people to Emacs and free software myself.

I mostly work with developers that use a windoze desktop, Eclipse, and
some secondary simpler editor. In recent years getting people interested
in Emacs has been difficult, I can only recall about one or two people I
helped getting started with Emacs the last 3 years.

I also try to help improve technical things developers used to an IDE
find lacking in Emacs. CEDET being included in Emacs was a step in the
right direction.

I think Emacs has a lot of potential to attract new users, especially if
we put more effort into polishing some user interface aspects.

For instance I have observed the following usage pattern with developers
using Eclipse:

"Hmm, I want to diff a file in my project. I don't want to read a boring
manual. Lets fiddle around in the menus until I find a suitable Wizard
that does it for me"

Emacs could quite possibly do the same thing better than Eclipse, but
the same developer trying the same approach in Emacs would probably get
stumped.

I would like to emphasize that I don't think Emacs should do things the
same way Eclipse does them, we need to find Emacsy ways. Perhaps by
improving the Emacs documentation so it is a more obvious entry point
rather than clicking about in menus. Perhaps the info documentation
could be enhanced so it works more like the web, with improved search
facilities, support for Wizards in the info documentation, etc.


-- 
Joakim Verona



  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-08  7:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-08  5:31 Efforts to attract more users? Ken Hori
2010-07-08  7:44 ` joakim [this message]
2010-07-08 13:28   ` Adrian Robert
2010-07-08 14:26     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-08 14:53       ` Stuart Hacking
2010-07-09 21:46         ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-09 22:52           ` Christoph
2010-07-09 23:53             ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-10 14:51             ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-10 14:55               ` Christoph
2010-07-08 15:09       ` Teemu Likonen
2010-07-08 13:54   ` Stuart Hacking
2010-07-09  3:05   ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-09  3:24     ` Bernardo Barros
2010-07-09 15:01       ` Stephen Eilert
2010-07-09 20:25         ` Rolando Pereira
2010-07-09  7:26     ` Aneesh Kumar K. V
2010-07-09 11:02       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09  7:31     ` christian.lynbech
2010-07-09 11:04       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09 11:24         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-09 11:41           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09 12:58             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-09 13:09               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09 16:09                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-07-09 16:42                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09 17:05                     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-07-09 17:07                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09 17:24                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-07-09 17:29                         ` Drew Adams
2010-07-10  0:03                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-10 19:15                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-11  2:43                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-10  0:03                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-10  0:11                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-10  0:16                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-10  0:28                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-10 23:43                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-11  2:40                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11  2:56                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-11  3:13                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-12  0:23                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-12  1:41                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-12  7:43                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-12  8:20                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12 12:37                                   ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-12 13:22                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12  8:21                                 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-12  7:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12  8:05                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-12  8:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12  8:38                                   ` Deniz Dogan
2010-07-12  8:53                                     ` David Kastrup
2010-07-09  7:33     ` Emacs learning curve (was Re: Efforts to attract more users?) christian.lynbech
2010-07-09  7:43       ` Emacs learning curve Masatake YAMATO
2010-07-09 11:01     ` Efforts to attract more users? Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11  4:37       ` Miles Bader
2010-07-11 10:48         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11 13:24           ` Miles Bader
2010-07-11 13:55             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11 13:59               ` Miles Bader
2010-07-11 14:13                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11 14:24                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-11 15:01                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-07-11 15:31                       ` Bernardo Barros
2010-07-11 17:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-11 21:25                         ` John Yates
2010-07-12  7:37                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12 12:36                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-12 12:47                             ` Stephen Eilert
2010-07-12 16:01                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-12 17:25                                 ` Bernardo Barros
2010-07-12 17:40                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-13  1:33                                   ` Why not Qt4? (hi, Drew! was: Efforts to attract more users?) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-13  2:37                                   ` Efforts to attract more users? Miles Bader
2010-07-13 13:51                                   ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-13 13:56                                     ` Deniz Dogan
2010-07-13 15:07                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-13 15:52                                         ` Deniz Dogan
2010-07-13 16:17                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-13 15:24                                     ` Bernardo Barros
2010-07-12  0:25                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11 14:52                   ` Bernardo Barros
2010-07-11 15:49       ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-12  0:24         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-12  9:42       ` joakim
2010-07-09 12:05     ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-09 12:23       ` Alex Ott
2010-07-09 14:33         ` Aneesh Kumar K. V
2010-07-12  1:57           ` CEDET speed issues [was Re: Efforts to attract more users?] Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-09 15:39         ` Efforts to attract more users? Leo
2010-07-10 19:05     ` Tom Tromey
2010-07-08 16:56 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-08 23:28 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-07-08 23:56   ` Fren Zeee
2010-07-09  0:22     ` Bernardo Barros
2010-08-02 13:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-02 13:32   ` Bernardo Barros
2010-08-02 20:15     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-02 20:30       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-02 20:39         ` Jay Belanger
2010-08-03  6:40       ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-03  8:11         ` Stuart Hacking

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