From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:35:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83fwlqe2xy.fsf@gnu.org> <20110731.005516.149395323.wl@gnu.org> <20110731.082721.451360942.wl@gnu.org> <87d3gp3zkd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83oc09auwt.fsf@gnu.org> <87aabskh1u.fsf@gnus.org> <831ux3buyy.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312306554 3106 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2011 17:35:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 02 19:35:50 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoIsf-0006UA-TQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:35:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50093 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoIsf-00005R-Gf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:35:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:33116) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoIsd-00005M-6o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:35:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoIsc-0000nL-B3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:35:47 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:49745) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoIsc-0000nE-5N; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:35:46 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QoIsU-0005iv-VP; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:35:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <831ux3buyy.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:10:13 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEULBQf+/vX68N3YyLju 4M8JBAUHAgP9+eYUDA6Ba1vND1piAAACMElEQVQ4jYWUoc7rMAyFTTKFDpVHk/YAHSntnwcIcXRh Scs7EhpypRaXLG97j53sb9nNpG3KV/t4ts/orie9nXPeyXmuekMneHjvR+fS/QRdh3uvZ3TPdAFJ rn/6XlDLJaB7vx++bwckfUFy5z3IqCEkAe5y37+QrAIIIP1Q5BxCxgo6FRjKJmcvIJqL1u6NAL0n i7dDVBSkBxLhnvRs+4FcAtIbYPi0eyG/wEsAUWgAyV4QoQTp4ZNNZDK4ZwnpEUKSqWwmBDJM8rII GdOdHMAnxymTMYaXmcgWFJwIxQ4fE5fJzBzMbQpsVZ7QjmEzMbIxFLJhw2E7BIhEjnGCSEaaGyME Iit5ARwXNrSBMA5E/FMiIBHjjF9Am0Vd/GcXoNqohqVRmW4RNew1QkCczSZEHgm0Hw1wQAR6vm0W HbgAY+IcbAW3IGBM5AAI6iRzygHl2gY8QLhNZssATPNEAp40VnEzW4jnGd9MBZLqL8eIcaCPUjci etVAc1lqyYSPBU/Y/aUa0hIOKCbEuCwLQGndxWCZpUy0bIno5PFybR4YEqOLObBoSdsbyBQwWIgj DBKHB5BlKL/Lk2VPiiwpJR1hDl+EnwOJtS7cZd9047zs1VpzySzIZspWJy7bnlQewFpNhLlirQSI n8pHm4ttw1L7b4QYpxI1yAsSqxgnOTWCOqcUNWGzWvWgWq2oB1O1WkrNnIM68HRtQl1iz9Pn/wco +Odi8/rP0KX2B3NGKPkHIkEooHPI2L8AAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Digital Mystikz's _Return II Space_: "Mountain Dread March" X-MailScanner-ID: 1QoIsU-0005iv-VP MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1312911339.4972@cqKKWvlo96bl55NzAJsQmg X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142722 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It's just my gut reaction, but inserting invisible characters into >> buffers seems like a non-optimal design to me... > > Then don't make it invisible, it displays by default as a very thin > space character. You can see that in action in the HELLO file, on the > Arabic and Hebrew lines. > >> Could possibly the LRM control instead be done with text properties or >> the like? > > No, and doing that is a very bad idea. For starters, it means that if > you send such a copy/pasted text to someone else through email, they > will see the text differently than you did. Using LRM is the only > idea that works well and without complications with plain text. I may have misinterpreted you, but I thought you meant that Gnus should put LRM character(s) into the summary buffer (by default) to signal that the buffer really is quite left-to-right-ey. I think that would be a less than optimal way of specifying something like that. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/