From: James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:17:36 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3pqzwbllz.fsf@carbon.jhcloos.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83hbl8li1o.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:24:51 +0300")
>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> In gedit C-f and C-b move forward and backward logically, whereas LEFT
>> and RIGHT move left and right visually.
EZ> Please be more specific, after reading my message where I presented
EZ> the definitions relevant to this thread. Emacs currently implements
EZ> only the logical-mode motion, both with C-f/C-b and with arrow keys.
I used logically and visually correctly.
>> In seamonkey, in a web-page's text input box, both the arrow keys and
>> the C-b and C-f keys move visually.
EZ> A useless mode, if you ask me.
Agreed. I was just reporting what occurred when I tried it out, for
everything I could think of which I had installed on this box and which
had -- or should have -- some bidi-awareness.
>> In gvim, both the h and l keys and the arrow keys move visually.
EZ> Please don't consider Vim a bidi-aware application. All Vim does is
EZ> simple reversal of text on the screen. It has no idea what to reverse
EZ> and what not, and neither does it support UAX#9. It's small wonder it
EZ> can only support visual-order movement.
OK. I knew that it could compose correctly and at first blush seemed
aware. But again this was just reporting what occurrec when I tried
cursor movement w/in a r2l paragraph.
>> In Openoffice.org, the arrow keys move logically.
EZ> Again, please be more specific: what does the left arrow key do in a
EZ> R2L paragraph? Does it go backwards in the text, eventually ending up
EZ> at the first text character, or does it go forward?
Again, I used the terms correctly. If I wrote logically then the RIGHT
key moved forward in reading direction and the LEFT backward.
I will that OOo's cursor (a line at which the next char will insert)
changes when there is bidi text; a tail at its top points in the reading
direction of the surounding text.
Apologies if any of the above seems short....
-JimC
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Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-06-07 1:05 Performance Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 13:35 ` Performance Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 14:22 ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p (was: Performance) David Kastrup
2010-06-07 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:01 ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p David Kastrup
2010-06-07 23:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:34 ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p (was: Performance) Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 14:12 ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 15:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 17:12 ` Drew Adams
2010-06-11 19:34 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 20:16 ` Drew Adams
2010-06-11 21:24 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 22:46 ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 10:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:27 ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:17 ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 10:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:26 ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 17:12 ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 17:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 18:49 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 19:51 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:01 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-12 19:16 ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 18:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 19:19 ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 22:57 ` Davis Herring
2010-06-11 19:45 ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 19:50 ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-12 10:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 18:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 9:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 9:34 ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 10:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:54 ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 14:26 ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 20:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 16:29 ` James Cloos
2010-06-11 17:09 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 9:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:49 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 16:18 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 18:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:34 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 21:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 21:20 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:07 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 21:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 21:16 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13 3:52 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13 7:53 ` David Kastrup
2010-06-11 17:37 ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 18:04 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-11 21:23 ` W Dan Meyer
2010-06-12 5:40 ` Miles Bader
2010-06-12 10:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:57 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 10:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:22 ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 9:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:17 ` James Cloos [this message]
2010-06-12 12:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 12:40 ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 20:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-12 16:36 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-12 16:57 ` Current head won't build Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-12 17:24 ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-12 18:55 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-12 19:54 ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-12 20:13 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-14 15:43 ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-15 14:50 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-15 18:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 18:31 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-15 19:25 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 19:38 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-06-15 19:43 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 19:54 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 3:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-16 8:21 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 9:47 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-16 12:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-16 12:36 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18 6:05 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18 8:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18 9:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18 9:27 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18 10:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18 11:33 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 12:44 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:12 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 13:17 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:21 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 14:18 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:25 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 14:29 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 15:09 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 15:51 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:29 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:14 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 18:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-16 18:43 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-18 6:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-12 16:41 ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Andreas Schwab
2010-06-12 23:34 ` James Cloos
2010-06-11 17:12 ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 5:43 ` Miles Bader
2010-06-12 9:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 11:13 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-12 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:26 ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 22:27 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-06-13 3:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 10:24 ` Kenichi Handa
2010-06-13 15:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 18:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 10:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:23 ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 14:27 ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 9:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 16:08 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 16:21 ` David Kastrup
2010-06-07 17:25 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 18:26 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-07 19:24 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 19:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 20:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 22:32 ` Davis Herring
2010-06-07 22:40 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-08 0:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-08 13:51 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-08 20:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-08 21:07 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-07 23:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-08 7:58 ` Miles Bader
2010-06-07 15:33 ` Performance Stefan Monnier
2010-06-10 10:30 ` Performance Kenichi Handa
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-06-12 20:56 arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p grischka
2010-06-12 21:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 21:26 ` grischka
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