* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
@ 2011-08-14 19:41 jidanni
2011-09-11 2:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: jidanni @ 2011-08-14 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 9301
s runs the command dired-sort-toggle-or-edit, which is an interactive
compiled Lisp function in `dired.el'.
it says
ls switches (must contain -l): -al
Say instead
ls switches (must contain one of -log): -al ... or clearer:
ls switches (must contain -l or -o or -g): -al
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* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
2011-08-14 19:41 bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g jidanni
@ 2011-09-11 2:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-11 7:18 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-09-11 2:29 UTC (permalink / raw
To: jidanni; +Cc: 9301
jidanni@jidanni.org writes:
> ls switches (must contain one of -log): -al ... or clearer:
> ls switches (must contain -l or -o or -g): -al
Good idea. I've now done the latter.
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* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
2011-09-11 2:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-09-11 7:18 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-09-11 14:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2011-09-11 7:18 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: jidanni, 9301
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> jidanni@jidanni.org writes:
>
>> ls switches (must contain one of -log): -al ... or clearer:
>> ls switches (must contain -l or -o or -g): -al
>
> Good idea. I've now done the latter.
Not a good idea. On *BSD ls -o does not work. This should be reverted.
Andreas.
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* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
2011-09-11 7:18 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2011-09-11 14:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-11 15:29 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-09-11 14:55 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: jidanni, 9301
Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
> Not a good idea. On *BSD ls -o does not work. This should be reverted.
I've now removed -o, but kept -g.
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* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
2011-09-11 14:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-09-11 15:29 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-09-11 15:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2011-09-11 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: jidanni, 9301
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>
>> Not a good idea. On *BSD ls -o does not work. This should be reverted.
>
> I've now removed -o, but kept -g.
This is still not a good idea. How is -g special wrt. to the options
that may imply -l? The requirement that the options should include -l
is simple and does not need any amendment.
Andreas.
--
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* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
2011-09-11 15:29 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2011-09-11 15:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-11 15:50 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-09-11 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: jidanni, 9301
Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
> This is still not a good idea. How is -g special wrt. to the options
> that may imply -l? The requirement that the options should include -l
> is simple and does not need any amendment.
Because saying "include -l" sounds like you really need to have the
full, complete "-l" output, and then it turns out that you don't, which
makes me happy, because I hate the full "-l" output in dired buffers.
:-)
Perhaps the string should be more wishy-washy? "must be a sort-of full
listing, like -l or the like"? Too long, though.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
2011-09-11 15:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-09-11 15:50 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-09-11 15:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2011-09-11 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: jidanni, 9301
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>
>> This is still not a good idea. How is -g special wrt. to the options
>> that may imply -l? The requirement that the options should include -l
>> is simple and does not need any amendment.
>
> Because saying "include -l" sounds like you really need to have the
> full, complete "-l" output, and then it turns out that you don't, which
> makes me happy, because I hate the full "-l" output in dired buffers.
> :-)
There is nothing that prevents you from using any additional options.
> Perhaps the string should be more wishy-washy? "must be a sort-of full
> listing, like -l or the like"? Too long, though.
Exactly. Saying "(must include -l)" is simple and clear, and fully
correct.
Andreas.
--
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* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
2011-09-11 15:50 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2011-09-11 15:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-11 16:14 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-09-11 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: jidanni, 9301
Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
> Exactly. Saying "(must include -l)" is simple and clear, and fully
> correct.
No, because it doesn't have to include -l. -o and -g does not imply -l.
It's kinda like -l, though.
So "(must include -l or similar)" might be best...
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
2011-09-11 15:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-09-11 16:14 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-09-11 16:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2011-09-11 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: jidanni, 9301
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> -o and -g does not imply -l.
They do.
> So "(must include -l or similar)" might be best...
Nobody needs that.
Andreas.
--
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* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
2011-09-11 16:14 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2011-09-11 16:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-11 16:43 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-09-11 16:18 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: jidanni, 9301
Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> -o and -g does not imply -l.
>
> They do.
-g like -l, but do not list owner
>> So "(must include -l or similar)" might be best...
>
> Nobody needs that.
jidanni did, and I did. QED.
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(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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2011-09-11 16:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-09-11 16:43 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-09-11 16:43 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2011-09-11 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: jidanni, 9301
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>
>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>>
>>> -o and -g does not imply -l.
>>
>> They do.
>
> -g like -l, but do not list owner
Like I said.
Andreas.
--
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* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
2011-09-11 16:43 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2011-09-11 16:43 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-11 16:53 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-09-11 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: jidanni, 9301
Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>> Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>>
>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> -o and -g does not imply -l.
>>>
>>> They do.
>>
>> -g like -l, but do not list owner
>
> Like I said.
Like I said, it's like -l, but does not imply -l.
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(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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* bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
2011-09-11 16:43 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-09-11 16:53 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2011-09-11 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: jidanni, 9301
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>
>>> Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> -o and -g does not imply -l.
>>>>
>>>> They do.
>>>
>>> -g like -l, but do not list owner
>>
>> Like I said.
>
> Like I said, it's like -l, but does not imply -l.
You are wrong. "-lg" is the same as "-g".
Andreas.
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