From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Tromey Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:42:58 -0700 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87zkcubbfc.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87vcnibb9t.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87r4y6bams.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <4F3198CE.9000900@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328656096 12235 80.91.229.3 (7 Feb 2012 23:08:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 23:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: egnarts-ms , Lennart Borgman , Emacs-devel@gnu.org, Nix , Stefan Monnier , Drew Adams To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 00:08:14 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ruu8y-0001UA-PR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:08:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34764 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ruu8x-0003aC-VI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:08:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38836) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ruu8v-0003Zw-Jn for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:08:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ruu8u-0002xh-Gg for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:08:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:13814) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ruu8u-0002xX-A8 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:08:08 -0500 Original-Received: from int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.11]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q17N7dko027622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:07:56 -0500 Original-Received: from ns3.rdu.redhat.com (ns3.rdu.redhat.com [10.11.255.199]) by int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q17Lh3XO026200; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 16:43:03 -0500 Original-Received: from barimba (ovpn01.gateway.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.9.1]) by ns3.rdu.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q17LgxTx002961; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 16:42:59 -0500 X-Attribution: Tom In-Reply-To: <4F3198CE.9000900@dancol.org> (Daniel Colascione's message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:34:06 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 10.5.11.11 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.132.183.28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148328 Archived-At: >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Colascione writes: Daniel> The latest objection is that dumping CL would Emacs would Daniel> increase the size of the printed and bound Emacs Lisp Reference Daniel> Manual from the FSF. I find this objection unconvincing because Daniel> it applies to _any_ new feature, and I don't think we're against Daniel> adding new features to Emacs. I think the existence of EIEIO makes the documentation objection especially moot. EIEIO is basically CLOS and has a manual of its own, but AFAICT doesn't have the same use restrictions as cl.el. I have never understood this discrepancy. Tom