From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Cloos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 18:41:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> <20140105205645.GA12781@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388967099 12942 80.91.229.3 (6 Jan 2014 00:11:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 00:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: toby-dated-1389972095.0848dd@dr-qubit.org, Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 06 01:11:46 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzxnG-00040L-35 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 01:11:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59875 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzxnF-0001Hw-CG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 19:11:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55116) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzxn8-0001Ho-5q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 19:11:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzxn0-0008DS-I6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 19:11:38 -0500 Original-Received: from ore.jhcloos.com ([198.147.23.85]:42860) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzxn0-0008Ct-9j; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 19:11:30 -0500 Original-Received: by ore.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id DDABE1DEC9; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 00:11:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=ore13; t=1388967087; bh=kaWR5+r/R3HvsHEoDEtEEJKXhZ5MhaybmqmUkw5/zAM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=IhrUlvGx8qoZEB+Z9idniZcZRnwlBTEqBMTZesNtaju3iYGY/Im49pHJK8hLmUlYn sJUEllCRZ11NroEP94ULZQB+B6+AzBJy0VwaSB/IL58CSv5xi077VQhR8V9EM6qQd8 httQ1bpCf6l0z9XXN47Qa+WGDuAe+tF2uA2/ZyRJCwA== Original-Received: by carbon.jhcloos.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 9023360027; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:41:30 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <20140105205645.GA12781@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:56:45 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQAgMAAABinRfyAAAACVBMVEX///8ZGXBQKKnCrDQ3 AAAAJElEQVQImWNgQAAXzwQg4SKASgAlXIEEiwsSIYBEcLaAtMEAADJnB+kKcKioAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC Copyright: Copyright 2013 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Original-Lines: 20 X-Hashcash: 1:30:140105:esr@thyrsus.com::y6rFEq7sj/0PeRPs:0TxChm X-Hashcash: 1:30:140105:rms@gnu.org::cG58UwIH8Xy/Gxkn:00000rURHx X-Hashcash: 1:30:140105:toby-dated-1389972095.0848dd@dr-qubit.org::NToZ/WR2Os1IU0HV:0000000000000000000iSJje X-Hashcash: 1:30:140105:emacs-devel@gnu.org::YBqzI3mZ4Irw2WAI:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000/GTHK X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 198.147.23.85 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167412 Archived-At: >>>>> "ESR" == Eric S Raymond writes: ESR> Yes. It's actually pretty rare for even old-school types to run ESR> emacs in a hard or soft terminal these days; normally it is ESR> launched from a window system. Except when using emacs on a remote server. Emacs in a terminal emulator is often superior to gui-emacs with the X protocol tunneled over ssh. I just tried the latter (using lucid; gtk is known to be especially awful over tcp) and it took (in fact is taking) minutes to get the initial frame up and responsive. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6