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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Making `interactive' conditional
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 12:17:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3oach4y4l.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m37fj56fq6.fsf@gnus.org

And to sum up the (basically) two proposals to make `M-x di TAB' not
list `diary-chinese-insert-entry', first there is Stefan's "add a global
directive and then mark exceptions".

This would mean that a mode like diary would say something like

(new-magic-declare (mode "diary-" diary-mode))

at (top-level?) somewhere.  The few actual non-diary-mode commands would
then say

   (declare (mode nil))

in the command definition.  This means that a typical mode would have
two lines added to them.  This is very attractive.


My proposal was to mark all mode-specific commands explicitly:

  (declare (mode diary-mode))

  or

  (command 'diary-mode "p")

This is because I kinda have a distaste for "magic" global settings, and
would prefer things to be explicit.  The advantage here is that nothing
would change except for things that have explicitly been changed.  For
instance, if I (as a user) has defined a command called `diary-lars',
then it would be removed from TAB completion until the user adds a
declaration to it.

So either minimal churn, but possibly some unexpected fall-out for some
users, or more churn, but no unexpected fall-out for anybody.


I'm fine with either.  I just want my `M-x' to be useful, because I can
never remember what keys commands are on, or what they're called,
precisely.

`M-x diTAB' in my Emacs today lists 180 commands.  Eyeballing them, I
would say about six of them are things that `M-x diTAB' should be
listing, and you'd be able to discover nice commands like `dict',
`diary', `dig' and `diff'.

(I kinda think the discussion took the normal "one simple functionality
improvement" to "let's do ALL THE THINGS" to "well, ALL THE THINGS isn't
really practical or what we want" to "well, then LET'S DO NOTHING" turn.
:-))

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-19 11:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-25  6:21 4K Bugs Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25  7:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-25 17:00 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 17:30   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 17:51     ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 17:53       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 17:59         ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 18:27           ` jpff
2015-12-25 18:35             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 18:33           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 18:40             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 18:54               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 19:46                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 20:06                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 19:36               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 19:56               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 20:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-25 20:26                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 13:16           ` Michael Albinus
2015-12-26  8:07   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-26 10:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 15:14       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-26 16:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 16:41           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 16:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 16:59               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 17:55                 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 17:58                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 18:12                     ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 18:21                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 18:42                         ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 18:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-27 22:41               ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28  9:44                 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-28 20:18               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-26 16:59             ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 17:48               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-28 20:15                 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-26 14:55     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-27  2:52       ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-27  6:07         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-07 20:10 ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-07 22:38   ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-09  4:26     ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-09  9:20       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-07 23:32   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-08  0:17   ` Xue Fuqiao
2016-01-08 12:49     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08  1:41   ` Alexis
2016-01-08  1:50     ` Richard Copley
2016-01-08  2:41       ` Alexis
2016-01-09  1:51         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-08 12:48     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:06     ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:59       ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 14:12         ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-09  2:52       ` Alexis
2016-01-10 15:58         ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-11  8:05           ` Alexis
2016-01-08  8:28   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-08 12:57     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:37       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:52       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-11 13:52         ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-11 16:18           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-08 15:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-08 23:16     ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx (was: 4K Bugs) Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  0:22       ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx John Wiegley
2016-01-09  0:55         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  1:46           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-09  1:54             ` Spencer Boucher
2016-01-09  3:09               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:37                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  2:15             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  3:09               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:49                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  4:14               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-09  3:09             ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:08           ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:33             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  9:05             ` Yuri Khan
2016-01-09 19:27               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09 20:55               ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) John Wiegley
2016-01-09 21:53                 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-11 12:02                   ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10  9:02                 ` Making `interactive' conditional Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 10:09                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-10 17:55                     ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                   ` <CAAdUY-Kfm-0JbOLpi4KE5wkmp6hfG+-y3V-_vTExaFkmF5RmEg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-01-10 12:36                     ` Artur Malabarba
2016-01-11  3:46                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-11 15:13                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-11  6:13                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-11  6:48                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-11 14:08                       ` Herring, Davis
2016-01-11 16:34                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-12  4:46                           ` Herring, Davis
2016-01-12  4:59                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-11 15:15                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-12  2:14                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-10 15:27                 ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Alan Mackenzie
2016-01-10 16:47                   ` Making `interactive' conditional Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 18:23                     ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 19:31                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 22:40                         ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 23:19                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 18:22                   ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Drew Adams
2016-01-11  6:29                     ` Making `interactive' conditional Stefan Monnier
2016-01-11 11:48                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 18:33                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-10 22:28                   ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-11  6:19                 ` Making `interactive' conditional Stefan Monnier
2016-01-19  6:24                   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 10:11                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 11:17                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2016-01-19 13:31                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-19 16:52                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-19 15:28                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-19 16:07                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 20:24                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-19 16:20                       ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 17:55                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 18:39                           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 19:02                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 20:23                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  8:06         ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-09 14:50           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09 17:32           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-10  8:53             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 16:05               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-04  3:19                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 16:07               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-10 16:14                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-08 10:50   ` 4K Bugs Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:21     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:33       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 14:08         ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-09  4:21           ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-09  8:42             ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-11 13:54               ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 19:27         ` Stephen Leake
2016-01-08 20:52           ` Michael Albinus

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