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From: James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:40:02 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3ljaka0g5.fsf@carbon.jhcloos.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sk4sjw45.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:03:54 +0300")

>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

EZ> So what does the RIGHT arrow do in a R2L paragraph, i.e. in a
EZ> paragraph that is displayed flushed all the way to the right margin of
EZ> the window?  Are you saying that the RIGHT arrow actually moves to the
EZ> _left_ in such a paragraph?  (You say that RIGHT moves in the reading
EZ> direction, but the reading direction in a R2L paragraph is right to
EZ> left.)

Yes, exactly.

I didn't try any of the tests in a Hebrew, Arabic or Farsi locale,
though, and a retest confirms, at least when running in en_US.UTF-8,
that I have to manually set the paragraph direction with the align
right paragraph control.

I just tried using LC_ALL=fa_FA.UTF-8.  With that the arrow keys do
exatly the opposite of what they do with LANG=en_US.UTF-8; the LEFT
key moves forward in logical order and the RIGHT key backwards.  But
they still always move in logical order, just swapping the forward vs
back meanings as compared to what they do when run in a l2r locale.
Weird!

Oh, and the default paragraph alignment does become Align Right,
as expected.

I still prefer only logical moves, with C-f moving forward, C-b moving
backward, LEFT always matching C-b and RIGHT always matching C-f.  But
I have no idea what users who use a r2e LANG/LC_* would want.

-JimC
-- 
James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com>         OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6



  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-12 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-07  1:05 Performance Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 13:35 ` Performance Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 14:22   ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p (was: Performance) David Kastrup
2010-06-07 14:39     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:01       ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p David Kastrup
2010-06-07 23:00         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:34       ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p (was: Performance) Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 14:12       ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 15:47         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 17:12           ` Drew Adams
2010-06-11 19:34             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 20:16               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-11 21:24                 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-11 22:46                   ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 10:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:20                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:27                   ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 10:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:17               ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 10:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:26               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 16:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 17:12                   ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 17:25                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 18:49                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 19:51                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:01                     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-12 19:16                       ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 18:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 19:19                       ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 22:57                         ` Davis Herring
2010-06-11 19:45           ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 19:50             ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-12 10:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 18:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12  9:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12  9:34             ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 10:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:54                 ` David Kastrup
2010-06-12 14:26             ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 20:31               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-11 16:29         ` James Cloos
2010-06-11 17:09           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12  9:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:49               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 16:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 16:18                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 18:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 18:58                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:34                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:58                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:26                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 21:08                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 21:20                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 19:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 20:07                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 21:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 21:16                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13  3:52                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13  7:53                               ` David Kastrup
2010-06-11 17:37           ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-11 18:04             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-11 21:23               ` W Dan Meyer
2010-06-12  5:40                 ` Miles Bader
2010-06-12 10:48               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:57                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 10:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:22               ` James Cloos
2010-06-12  9:24           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:17             ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 12:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 12:40                 ` James Cloos [this message]
2010-06-12 20:37               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-12 16:36           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-12 16:57             ` Current head won't build Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-12 17:24               ` Chong Yidong
2010-06-12 18:55                 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-12 19:54                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-12 20:13                     ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-14 15:43                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-15 14:50                         ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-15 18:28                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 18:31                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-15 19:25                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 19:38                                 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-06-15 19:43                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-15 19:54                                   ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16  3:28                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-16  8:21                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16  9:47                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-16 12:23                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-16 12:36                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18  6:05                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18  8:20                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18  9:04                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18  9:27                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-18 10:41                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-18 11:33                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 12:44                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:12                                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 13:17                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:21                                                 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:00                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 14:18                                                     ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:25                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 14:29                                                         ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:58                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 15:09                                                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 15:51                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 13:29                                             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-16 14:14                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-16 18:32                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-16 18:43                                                 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-06-18  6:04                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-12 16:41           ` arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Andreas Schwab
2010-06-12 23:34             ` James Cloos
2010-06-11 17:12         ` James Cloos
2010-06-12  5:43           ` Miles Bader
2010-06-12  9:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 11:13               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-12 12:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 14:26               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12 16:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 22:27               ` Kenichi Handa
2010-06-13  3:02                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 10:24                   ` Kenichi Handa
2010-06-13 15:28                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-13 17:20                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-13 18:03                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-12 10:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 10:23             ` James Cloos
2010-06-12 14:27               ` Drew Adams
2010-06-12  9:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-07 15:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 16:08       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 16:21         ` David Kastrup
2010-06-07 17:25           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 18:26             ` Andreas Schwab
2010-06-07 19:24               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 19:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07 20:17                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-07 22:32                     ` Davis Herring
2010-06-07 22:40                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-08  0:15                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-08 13:51                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-08 20:25                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-08 21:07                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-06-07 23:19                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-08  7:58     ` Miles Bader
2010-06-07 15:33   ` Performance Stefan Monnier
2010-06-10 10:30 ` Performance Kenichi Handa
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-06-12 20:56 arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p grischka
2010-06-12 21:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 21:26   ` grischka

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