* bug#8502: Make the agent eagerly cache articles
@ 2011-04-15 0:16 Stefan Monnier
2011-05-01 17:52 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
[not found] ` <m3k4eacnpl.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org>
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2011-04-15 0:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 8502
Package: Emacs,Gnus
Version: 24.0.50
IIUC gnus-agent-cache only causes headers to be cached. Not caching
full articles made a lot of sense a few years ago, but with current disk
sizes, most/many MUAs happily keep a full local copy of the remote IMAP
folders and Gnus should be able to do the same.
Stefan
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* bug#8502: Make the agent eagerly cache articles
2011-04-15 0:16 bug#8502: Make the agent eagerly cache articles Stefan Monnier
@ 2011-05-01 17:52 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
[not found] ` <m3k4eacnpl.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org>
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-05-01 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 8502, bugs, ding
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> IIUC gnus-agent-cache only causes headers to be cached. Not caching
> full articles made a lot of sense a few years ago, but with current disk
> sizes, most/many MUAs happily keep a full local copy of the remote IMAP
> folders and Gnus should be able to do the same.
Downloading articles isn't so much about disk space as network
capacity. But I agree with you that the Agent should probably download
the articles by default.
Does anybody mind me switching `gnus-agent-predicate' to `true' by
default?
--
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* bug#8502: Make the agent eagerly cache articles
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@ 2011-05-02 3:10 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <jwvliypg5p8.fsf-monnier+INBOX@gnu.org>
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2011-05-02 3:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bugs; +Cc: 8502, ding
>> IIUC gnus-agent-cache only causes headers to be cached. Not caching
>> full articles made a lot of sense a few years ago, but with current disk
>> sizes, most/many MUAs happily keep a full local copy of the remote IMAP
>> folders and Gnus should be able to do the same.
> Downloading articles isn't so much about disk space as network
> capacity. But I agree with you that the Agent should probably download
> the articles by default.
I'm talking about caching. I.e. keeping local copies after we've
downloaded them, so it shouldn't increase network traffic, only disk use.
> Does anybody mind me switching `gnus-agent-predicate' to `true' by
> default?
Maybe that would be good, yes. A better docstring would also be
welcome: I don't understand the current one.
Stefan
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* bug#8502: Make the agent eagerly cache articles
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@ 2011-05-02 3:24 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
[not found] ` <m3r58h6azy.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org>
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-05-02 3:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 8502, ding
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> I'm talking about caching. I.e. keeping local copies after we've
> downloaded them, so it shouldn't increase network traffic, only disk use.
Hm. Caching?
>> Does anybody mind me switching `gnus-agent-predicate' to `true' by
>> default?
>
> Maybe that would be good, yes. A better docstring would also be
> welcome: I don't understand the current one.
Oh, I thought you were talking about the download categories (i.e., what
happens when you type `J s').
Let's see... caching... so if you're online (in an agentised group)
and select an article, you want the article to be saved in the Agent
directory? That sounds eminently reasonable, and I thought that was
supposed to happen, but I can't find any code for doing that... hm...
Nope.
Articles are entered into the (non-agent) cache if `gnus-use-cache' is
set to t, though.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* bug#8502: Make the agent eagerly cache articles
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@ 2011-05-02 14:22 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-05-02 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 8502-close, bugs, ding
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Let's see... caching... so if you're online (in an agentised group)
> and select an article, you want the article to be saved in the Agent
> directory? That sounds eminently reasonable, and I thought that was
> supposed to happen, but I can't find any code for doing that... hm...
> Nope.
This is now fixed in git Gnus.
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