From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Webapp/Plugin Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:20:05 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87sjcayo2g.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <44228733-B2A1-4C55-B3E4-D634A149AFB4@mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1343812833 12492 80.91.229.3 (1 Aug 2012 09:20:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 01 11:20:31 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwV6U-0001CY-VR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:20:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50258 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwV6U-0004i1-7r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:20:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42394) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwV6N-0004ht-1E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:20:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwV6K-000117-VZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:20:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.bahnhof.se ([213.80.101.11]:59141) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwV6K-00010v-OY; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:20:20 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (mf.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.20]) by mx1-reinject (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000AD2957B2; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:20:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at bahnhof.se (MF2) Original-Received: from mf2.bahnhof.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mf2.bahnhof.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id whQYblPqM-RC; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:20:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from exodia.verona.se (h-235-102.a149.priv.bahnhof.se [85.24.235.102]) by mf2.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5274B450103; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:20:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from chopper.vpn.verona.se (unknown [192.168.201.10]) by exodia.verona.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC0B4E001C; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:20:06 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <44228733-B2A1-4C55-B3E4-D634A149AFB4@mit.edu> (chad's message of "Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:49:01 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-Received-From: 213.80.101.11 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:152065 Archived-At: chad writes: > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > >> As for the server, isn't that what Freedombox is for? > > Freedombox looks (to me) like it's more about open, secure, private communications infrastructure, rather than Free compute servers. There is some overlap, and maybe there are plans to expand Freedombox, but as an example, Freedombox would be aimed more at making sure users aren't trapped in gmail, yahoo, facebook, and twitter, while Joakim is talking about making sure users and developers aren't trapped in Google App Engine or Amazon Web Services. > > As computing usage moves out of the office and onto mobile devices, quite a lot of desired computing activity is moving into free-not-Free and cheap network services that are (currently) opaque and encumbered. For many of these services, the source code is open, but the service itself is closed, ala TiVo-ization. Quite often, developers use these services (Google or Amazon) simply because the Free alternatives either don't exist or are much more costly (in time and money). I haven't studied Freedombox in detail. Maybe I can work with the Freedombox image as a base to provide the services Chad clarifies above. But the main difference between my goal and FreedomBox seems to be that I want to provide configuration descriptions for all nodes of a network of computers and other systems that collaborate at all times. Thats why I used the term "Cluster". So, AFAICS FreedomBox does not provide a configuration description for an OS image that runs on phone hardware, that will rely on a corresponding image that runs on a server, basically an old school client-server configuration. This way I think free software can provide an overall system provididng the same services as the non-free alternatives with less effort than providing separate projects that work together only after substantial configuration. Anyway, I hope this makes the goal clearer. [BTW It might seem that this topic is completely OT for this list, but many of us phone os hackers seem to share the goal of running Emacs usefully on a phone] > > I hope that helps, > *Chad > -- Joakim Verona