From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Liu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 23:39:08 +0800 Message-ID: References: <891cf052-6085-4ad4-b03b-83379a85ff0f@default> <7367bf77-7602-4a02-82ce-804c2f88bf25@default> <831txebg2x.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1396539637 27603 80.91.229.3 (3 Apr 2014 15:40:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16617@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 03 17:40:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WVjkf-0007xq-2e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Thu, 03 Apr 2014 08:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from fortuna ([61.149.216.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xk3sm11916254pbb.65.2014.04.03.08.39.13 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Apr 2014 08:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACkAAAApAQAAAACAGz1bAAABKElEQVQYlWNg3NIt5FDPUPt7 4+X79Qyucz5/ugik+L2PBgKpyphaIK921q23QDnG0NBQoMr/vaWl9f8ZLL78uPv5PwN7RETfzXoG jhmFz27XM0RXmpuY/WfY+fv0Mc56BvFybfXA/wwL5t/wF61n2PU59axXPcOVzbmSW/8zrNt1benC /ww70hqUU/4zKCtrT9jwn8FhwynbufUMendE2aLqGRpdX9al1zM8eh17lKeeQcTMrdD5P8P3j/YT Q/8zXHSb7p1Qz/C4OM2JuZ7hgtI7K6AjqsMnf8j4z8C6xG1tw3+GqpqvsVn/GTzmpD9j/8/wP/oZ S/l/Bka+QO/g/wy15ueeFQL9N1O8mPU/g+umV3t1gdT0/1bTgHLqYVeXAlWKpMWt+w8Az82C9nHf X0cAAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: <831txebg2x.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 03 Apr 2014 18:14:30 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (CentOS 6.5) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:87705 Archived-At: On 2014-04-03 23:14 +0800, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > FWIW, I don't think this is the right fix. The problem is not that > '?' pops up the help text -- I disagree with Drew about that, as '?' > is a normal way to ask Emacs for guidance. The problem is that the > help text is not really displayed -- it flashes for a fraction of a > second and disappears without a trace. Your suggestion doesn't fix > that part. Even if it is eventually decided that '?' should not > invoke help in this case, the problem with momentarily flashing the > help text should be solved, because it actually renders the whole > help-form feature useless. Agreed. Leo