From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel =?iso-8859-2?q?Jan=EDk?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enhancements to options menu (was Re: Reveal mode) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:38:32 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200204302119.g3ULJAP06813@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xznzj30j0.fsf_-_@kfs2.cua.dk> <200205031825.g43IP3e00651@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xwuuk6b4q.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200205052315.g45NFFE29713@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020788510 21602 127.0.0.1 (7 May 2002 16:21:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Thien-Thi Nguyen , storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm), rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 1757in-0005cB-00 for ; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:21:49 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1757qW-0001LI-00 for ; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:29:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1757ic-0001lr-00; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:21:38 -0400 Original-Received: from p0180.as-l043.contactel.cz ([194.108.242.180] helo=SnowWhite.SuSE.cz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1757gZ-0001dP-00; Tue, 07 May 2002 12:19:35 -0400 Original-Received: by SnowWhite.SuSE.cz (PJ, from userid 500) id 1073218C8E; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:21:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: "Stefan Monnier" X-Face: $"d&^B_IKlTHX!y2d,3;grhwjOBqOli]LV`6d]58%5'x/kBd7.MO&n3bJ@Zkf&RfBu|^qL+ ?/Re{MpTqanXS2'~Qp'J2p^M7uM:zp[1Xq#{|C!*'&NvCC[9!|=>#qHqIhroq_S"MH8nSH+d^9*BF: iHiAs(t(~b#1.{w.d[=Z In-Reply-To: <200205052315.g45NFFE29713@rum.cs.yale.edu> ("Stefan Monnier"'s message of "Sun, 05 May 2002 19:15:15 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2.50 (i386-suse-linux-gnu) Original-Lines: 32 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3674 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3674 From: "Stefan Monnier" Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 19:15:15 -0400 Hi Stefan, > > > i imagine arrows dancing around the screen, some question like = "these > > > are fringes -- do you belong to the minimalist school of though= t; i.e., > >=20 > > I think that we miss a chapter with this in the manual... >=20 > If you're talking about the dancing arrows, I might agree, although > I'd point out that we also miss the corresponding implementation. ;-) No, I was not talking about dancing arrows. I often found that many people find the Emacs terminology confusing. They do read (emacs)Glossary, (emacs)Screen but they would like to see pictures. One picture is more then ten pages of text. I have spent one "lesson" with my users to describe them the difference between mode-line and echo area and window/buffer, you know. > As for the fringes, I would rather not advertise the ability to > remove them (to new users). Well, but this was the most asked question just after releasing 21.1... So users (and even novice users) wanted to remove it. --=20 Pavel Jan=EDk We are Linux. Resistance indicates that you're missing the point! -- "Carsten Otte" in LKML