ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Richie]

Hi guys,

I have this problem for a long time. I want to use andale mono ttf font
in Emacs, but I don't know how to do in order to let emacs know this
font exists. When I put the andale mono font file into the
/usr/share/fonts/blahblah, other software can recognize it ( the reason
is that they support gtk2?). However, my favourite editor don't accept
it no matter where I set it(in .Xdefaults or .emacs). From some web, I
know emacs(xwindow) can only use the fonts which the "xlsfonts" command
shows. So my question now is how to let xlsfonts accept the ttf fonts.

Now I only use emacs -nw, for I can set the term font to andale,-.-.

Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 08.09.2005 um 07:46 schrieb Richie:

> From some web, I
> know emacs(xwindow) can only use the fonts which the "xlsfonts" command
> shows. So my question now is how to let xlsfonts accept the ttf fonts.

Put the font into, for example, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF.

Invoke (sudo) ttfmkfontdir in this directory to create the fonts.dir 
and fonts.scale files.

Add /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ to the X server's search path for 
fonts, by

	either invoking 'xset +fp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ ; xset fp 
rehash' (check with xlsfonts)

	or putting /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/ into your .xinitrc file where 
xset is used to adapt the search path for fonts (valid with X11's next 
launch).


Andale Mono is a Unicode encoded font, so there shouldn't be any 
problem with missing encodings. OTOH there are versions of ttfmkfontdir 
and mkfontdir (for PostScript Type 1 and bitmapped fonts) that can 
create many font encodings for X from one font file:

-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-adobe-standard
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-ibm-cp437
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-iso10646-1
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-1
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-10
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-13
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-15
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-2
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-3
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-4
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-5
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-iso8859-9
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-koi8-e
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-koi8-r
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-koi8-u
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-microsoft-cp1252
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-ascii-0
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-fcd8859-15
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso10646-1
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-1
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-10
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-15
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-2
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-3
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-4
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-5
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-7
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-9
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-koi8-r
-monotype-andale mono-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-koi8-ru


If you have GTK2+ enabled X clients be aware that they'll launch quite 
late: GTK2 first produces fonts.cache files ...


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   Pete

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                                                    - Tom Stoppard

Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Richie]

Hi Peter,

Thank you for your help. Now I can use the andale ttf font, but new
problem bring out : the font is too ugly on my screen for it is not so
smoothing as in my terminal.

Is there any way to anti alias the font?

Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 08.09.2005 um 13:51 schrieb Richie:

> Is there any way to anti alias the font?
>

Change the X server! You need one that uses libfreetype2.

What are xfontsel and xfd doing with this font? Since you're probably 
using GNOME: there should be some means to advise the X server or an X 
font server to handle vector fonts better.

Could be that you're selecting that font incorrectly. xfontsel should 
help you to find the right set of parameters.

(I prefer to use the Lucida fonts, although faulty, that come with Java)
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Greetings

   Pete

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Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 08.09.2005 um 14:34 schrieb RichardLeo:

> xfce4

That's a window manager.

Actually Andale Mono looks for me pixilated too, no anti-aliasing. But 
my X server is pretty old and it comes from Apple and they never 
mentioned it could anti-alias fonts ... (which is reserved for Aqua)

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   Pete

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Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Richie]

seems there is no good way now.
let me continue to use emacs  -nw instead and use luci da font in x.
Thank you all the same.

Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Henrik Enberg]

> From: Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>
> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:18:56 +0200
> 
> Am 08.09.2005 um 13:51 schrieb Richie:
> 
> > Is there any way to anti alias the font?
> 
> Change the X server! You need one that uses libfreetype2.

Changing X server won't help.  You need application support for
antialiased fonts, something Emacs currently lacks.

Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 08.09.2005 um 16:33 schrieb Henrik Enberg:

> Changing X server won't help.  You need application support for
> antialiased fonts, something Emacs currently lacks.
>

Oh yes! That's it of course! I remember we had a discussion about that 
in spring ...

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   Pete

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start selling vacuum cleaners.

Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Richie]

What is the "something"?
Since I use the sid Debian, I use x org as the X. And my xfce4 window
manger including some software
such as firefox, gvim can use the antialias font ( due to GTK2?)

Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Stefan Monnier]

> Thank you for your help. Now I can use the andale ttf font, but new
> problem bring out : the font is too ugly on my screen for it is not so
> smoothing as in my terminal.

> Is there any way to anti alias the font?

It's being worked on.  Check out the XFT_JHD_BRANCH in Emacs-CVS if you're
courageous enough.


        Stefan

Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Richie]

Thank you
where to get it, I'm willing to try.

Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Stefan Monnier]

> where to get it, I'm willing to try.

Google for Emacs-CVS should point you to
http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/emacs/


        Stefan

Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[Ian Zimmerman]

> Is there any way to anti alias the font?

Stefan> It's being worked on.  Check out the XFT_JHD_BRANCH in Emacs-CVS
Stefan> if you're courageous enough.

I hope it is still possible to use bitmapped fonts bypassing xft.
I like my Emacs font the way it is.

-- 
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Pessimist: The schedule is a whole two weeks ahead of us.

Re: ttf can't work on GNU Emacs(X-window)?

[James Cloos]

>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Zimmerman <itz@buug.org> writes:

>> Is there any way to anti alias the font?

Stefan> It's being worked on.  Check out the XFT_JHD_BRANCH in
Stefan> Emacs-CVS if you're courageous enough.

On that front, the last I tried it still didn't support changing the
display font, and the font specified on the command line was only
used for latin1; everything else fell back to Sans-12.  It also had
problems keeping each buffer's text within said buffer's borders.

Ian> I hope it is still possible to use bitmapped fonts bypassing xft.
Ian> I like my Emacs font the way it is.

Fontconfig (and therefore both Xft and cairo) supports any font
freetype supports, including bdf, pcf{,.gz} and other bitmap formats.

So, even when using client-side fonts you'll be able to use the bitmap
fonts you currently do.

In addition, it is highly unlikely that Emacs itself will abandon
support for server-side fonts.  Cross-platform support is just too
inherent in its design principles.  

-JimC
-- 
James H. Cloos, Jr. <cloos@jhcloos.com>