From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs should have a good web-browser Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:55:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87r5wqvqsn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247090139 19454 80.91.229.12 (8 Jul 2009 21:55:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 08 23:55:32 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MOf6x-0003Dn-2o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:55:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51568 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MOf6w-0008H6-Gp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:55:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MOf6r-0008GQ-Df for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:55:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MOf6n-0008FC-St for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:55:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51916 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MOf6n-0008F9-Oa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:55:21 -0400 Original-Received: from iwfs.imcode.com ([82.115.149.64]:47300 helo=gate.verona.se) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MOf6n-00056P-2n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:55:21 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:1005@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gate.verona.se (8.13.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id n68LtF6H016683; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:55:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87r5wqvqsn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:54:48 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112201 Archived-At: Chong Yidong writes: > Fernando writes: > >> First, I would like to know if you agree about the reasons for having >> a web browser in Emacs (either as part of it or as an external lisp >> package). > > Rendering the modern web is a very complicated task, and I doubt it's > worthwhile to try to implement this independently in Emacs. > > An easier route might be to use Gecko or Webkit to embed webpages in > Emacs windows, in the spirit of how we use the GTK library to draw the > tool-bar and scroll-bar. Emacs might either link directly to > Gecko/Webkit, or use XEmbed to fit a separate mini-browser process > inside an Emacs window. > > AFAIK, no one is currently working on anything like this. I would like to point to: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsXembed I have some screenshots there of my xembed patch for emacs that allows xembedding for instance a video player(mplayer in the screenshot) in emacs. I am currently making a small xembeddable wrapper on webkit that I will make some screenshots with to show Emacs embedding a browser. My original aproach was to use Firefox for embedding, since theres a nice integration with Emacs called MozRepl, but the mozembed component crashed when trying embedding. I need to make small wrappers around apps because most apps doesnt support to be xembedded out of the box. Emacs and Mplayer are easily xembeddable without modification. > -- Joakim Verona