From: joakim@verona.se
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Micro-Init files in GNU ELPA
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 15:45:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3iov3uzk4.fsf@exodia.verona.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877gbj1ih2.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Thu, 05 Dec 2013 09:27:05 -0500")
Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
> On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 10:16:25 +0530 Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> JK> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
>>> I think all of these will cause problems
>>>
>>> - deprecation of variables
>>> - incompatibility of snippets
>>> - dependencies
>>> - loss of configurability and visibility
>>> - bug and maintenance burden on the submitters
>>> - documentation (or lack thereof)
>
> JK> My suggestion acknowledges the existing behaviour and merely
> JK> systematizes it.
>
> JK> My suggestion is a practical suggestion that need to be tested on the
> JK> field and dismissed with a theoretical object.
>
> Your suggestion is completely impractical if it doesn't consider the
> practical problems I listed. Saying "like GNU ELPA but for
> configuration snippets" is like saying "like a car but flying and for
> giraffes." Let's talk about how it will fly.
>
>>> I personally would not use or enjoy such a system.
>
> JK> That's precisely the point. You don't have to.
>
> JK> Installing packages from GNU ELPA is optional. Most intermediate to
> JK> expert Emacs users will not use such a system.
>
> JK> But new users will.
>
> I am intermediate-to-expert and I use and love the GNU ELPA. I'd love
> to see a new way to configure Emacs; I remember discussing Assistants on
> emacs-devel a while back. Assistants are interactive wizards,
> implemented by Lars years ago in Gnus but I have yet to figure out how
> to use them as a programmer. Assistants are much closer to what I'd
> like to see in Emacs for new users.
>
> Packages and configuration snippets are completely different things.
> If you want to argue that they can be treated the same way at the user
> level, take the practical concerns I listed into consideration. Those
> are concerns with any package system you present to a user.
There is already a "configuration snippet system" deployed to GNU ELPA.
The various color themes provided there.
I use something similar locally: https://github.com/jave/zen-mode
It provides a means to switch between different emacs setups, defined as
themes.
So, if you would like to deploy a bunch of particular settings together as a
theme , you can already do that.
You cant meaningfully deploy a theme that requires user action like this
of course. That would require something like the "Assistant"
idea. However, I think theres room for both ideas, as already evidenced
by colour themes.
> Ted
>
>
--
Joakim Verona
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2013-11-29 16:50 Finding packages to enable by default Tom
2013-11-29 17:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-29 18:54 ` Tom
2013-11-29 20:12 ` chad
2013-11-29 20:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-29 21:01 ` Tom
2013-11-29 21:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-11-29 22:13 ` Tom
2013-11-30 1:59 ` Glenn Morris
2013-11-30 4:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-30 6:34 ` Tom
2013-11-30 13:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-30 19:10 ` Glenn Morris
2013-12-01 9:01 ` Tom
2013-12-01 9:13 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-01 9:21 ` Tom
2013-12-01 9:33 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-01 15:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-01 16:42 ` Tom
2013-12-01 19:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-02 17:09 ` Tom
2013-12-02 17:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-03 17:05 ` Tom
2013-12-03 18:11 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-03 18:30 ` Tom
2013-12-03 19:18 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-03 19:32 ` Tom
2013-12-03 19:55 ` [RFC] Micro-Init files in GNU ELPA & Survey suggestions(Re: Finding packages to enable by default) Jambunathan K
2013-12-03 20:35 ` Tom
2013-12-04 5:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 5:29 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 15:50 ` [RFC] Micro-Init files in GNU ELPA Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-04 15:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-05 4:46 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-05 14:27 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-05 14:45 ` joakim [this message]
2013-12-05 16:33 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-05 16:56 ` T.V. Raman
2013-12-06 0:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 3:28 ` Tom Tromey
2013-12-06 3:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-05 23:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-06 1:34 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 8:26 ` Finding packages to enable by default Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 9:13 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 4:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-04 4:21 ` Andrew Hyatt
2013-12-04 5:46 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 16:08 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-12-04 20:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-04 20:32 ` Tom
2013-12-04 21:16 ` Alex Schroeder
2013-12-04 21:36 ` Tom
2013-12-05 1:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-05 15:24 ` Davis Herring
2013-12-05 17:10 ` Tom
2013-12-05 18:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-05 23:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-04 21:13 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-12-04 21:18 ` Tom
2013-12-04 21:39 ` Tom
2013-12-04 22:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-05 7:00 ` martin rudalics
2013-12-05 8:51 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-12-05 18:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-05 18:57 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-05 23:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-06 0:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 2:07 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-06 4:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 5:16 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-06 5:53 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 6:05 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-06 6:37 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 8:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-06 8:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-06 11:20 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 11:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-06 11:42 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 13:57 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-06 14:18 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 8:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-06 8:21 ` martin rudalics
2013-12-06 17:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 17:40 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-12-07 22:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-08 17:45 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-12-08 21:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-10 1:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-11 3:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-11 14:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-11 14:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-08 20:23 ` Stephen Leake
2013-12-08 20:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-08 22:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-12-09 2:13 ` ada mode [was Re: Finding packages to enable by default] Glenn Morris
2013-12-12 16:42 ` Stephen Leake
2013-12-12 17:44 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-12-10 2:04 ` Finding packages to enable by default Stefan Monnier
2013-12-12 17:59 ` Stephen Leake
2013-12-11 3:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-11 8:13 ` martin rudalics
2013-12-11 11:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-11 14:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-11 14:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-11 15:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-13 4:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-06 8:21 ` martin rudalics
2013-12-05 0:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-05 4:34 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 5:37 ` Josh
2013-12-06 5:46 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-06 6:01 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 21:32 ` icomplete-mode vs. iswitchb Alex Schroeder
2013-12-05 1:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-05 2:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-05 12:45 ` Alex Schroeder
2013-12-05 13:26 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-12-05 18:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-08 15:44 ` Mathias Dahl
2013-12-10 1:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-10 9:56 ` Mathias Dahl
2013-12-11 14:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-22 18:24 ` Mathias Dahl
2013-12-23 1:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-27 22:24 ` Mathias Dahl
2013-12-05 8:10 ` Alex Schroeder
2013-12-05 18:57 ` Josh
2013-12-08 19:05 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-08 19:09 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-09 18:39 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-10 5:15 ` Josh
2013-12-11 4:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-11 18:09 ` Josh
2013-12-12 3:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-12 12:07 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-12 12:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-12 12:41 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-12 16:38 ` Josh
2013-12-12 17:11 ` chad
2013-12-13 2:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-13 2:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-13 3:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-12 18:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-12 18:53 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-12 19:34 ` Josh
2013-12-12 17:15 ` Josh
2013-12-11 4:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 16:49 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-06 17:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 23:07 ` Josh
2013-12-07 13:22 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-11-30 6:27 ` Finding packages to enable by default Tom
2013-11-30 19:06 ` Glenn Morris
2013-12-01 9:10 ` Tom
2013-12-01 22:55 ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-02 17:15 ` Tom
2013-12-05 19:48 ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-30 5:34 ` Josh
2013-11-30 6:03 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-09 11:21 ` Alex Schroeder
2013-12-16 12:07 ` Alex Schroeder
2013-12-17 10:34 ` Jambunathan K
2014-06-19 15:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-19 22:54 ` Drew Adams
2014-06-19 23:57 ` Daimrod
2014-06-20 8:25 ` Teemu Likonen
2014-06-20 9:25 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-06-20 12:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-20 13:38 ` Teemu Likonen
2014-06-20 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-20 15:17 ` Teemu Likonen
2014-06-20 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-20 19:49 ` Teemu Likonen
2014-06-21 1:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-21 13:18 ` wcheck-mode (was: Finding packages to enable by default) Teemu Likonen
2014-07-07 14:07 ` wcheck-mode Stefan Monnier
2014-06-20 14:44 ` Finding packages to enable by default Stefan Monnier
2014-06-25 9:11 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-06-21 21:51 ` Juri Linkov
2014-06-25 9:12 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-06-21 22:16 ` Glenn Morris
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