From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:30:04 +0100 Message-ID: References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457386253 30289 80.91.229.3 (7 Mar 2016 21:30:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 21:30:53 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 07 22:30:43 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2jj-0007Uo-6P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:30:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58736 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2jh-00019Z-Vm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:30:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33612) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2jb-00019Q-SD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:30:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2jX-0006Wr-S3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:30:35 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:43491) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2jX-0006Wi-Lk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:30:31 -0500 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=stories) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2j6-0006Ta-M0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:30:04 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEVZUElAODNrYlmiloXv 5cl6cGbJvKUeFxefP4U5AAACaUlEQVQ4jW2TQVPjMAyFFXegVytMN9dU4J6B0PID1pNzm2I4Q4r3 Wu/Mjv/+PrktFAZPmoO+Wk9PUsh73y+7nf9+CL9bYvcTeKuY5eEHsGbmcHMW62OMO/I9N2zDwvvl dhXjZWy61+cCfgOwmfj+ZV/N9ul98phYQf/Kia1cAaQmSR7x5kuA+JhTNhJ8f2eqixkFvm3DzAC8 5JRMC/BHGsrIe8dk3Y7GJue9Ief7R7ueQm7z2uTkIr3nnJOpAG5pEDdsu3Fturiiu8ycSSY+duXA wz1fL4U2iTgnnsTP8466mKa1VMh2BNrM/k2zo4BgOOWrIwC5nxZgwiCbpvp1yuP7dS7AtWRa5g8Q +7mCPbVEJLy//IjHNZzlGVUAhu3iBHbxjbUYsgDE9nlcrY4iY5g36RrRliq23fEo7cZNciRAVfMB 1HrXwbsmMlVTfwHj2EWtynAz686Oqnkq2s3kFBxPPjWO9TmB1dh9BdfL7Xldn2A7hBC2XwA84AlC ItuzK54wEss1Wjw4XBpws6BeW7vnehgEURHRlEBd0UhUD0EBHlxbqpwn9DjZOhzOQKYkDM+eEmP0 RqMaEiwQXoIbTLrTZBBS4JBsaNuFVgUbGL8NRde5UoSCZJl1mHUB5RUEGpjgtFGQL0rIqZgr4jTX Ief8LxysqNqTx+Jbkw5AEDcy6CUFydIhVe3wZ+wSwLBQwJR1KTPMiRh8XFKqyviIkvrPAjMkWpfI jbaEM5sWjXFidJNbvQmgFcH6NP+9OJTUtthnAFhXmblaH6iFBvTdk7aEWdc0G6QmnYhIcA8FWKos oSUA2nX0EeA/T8gJEFEZYL4AAAAASUVORK5CYII= In-Reply-To: <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> (Nikolaus Rath's message of "Mon, 07 Mar 2016 12:46:30 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1ad2j6-0006Ta-M0 MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1457991005.99676@MmpMoMrvDaFktM67GAKDxA X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201085 Archived-At: Nikolaus Rath writes: > When I submitted my first Emacs patch, I was astonished when I was asked > to re-submit with my commit message essentially duplicated in the > ChangeLog. And I think this is essential input. We are alienating contributors by insisting on our weird (ok, "unusual") format of the meta data of the patches. The ChangeLog is useful for some of us. But I would contend that its usefulness doesn't trump all the contributors we have discouraged by insisting on our quite singular submission format. `M-x vc-region-history' is much, much more useful, in my opinion, than perusing ChangeLogs. Especially if the text people write is more than a reiteration of what the VC logs already tell us. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no