From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: patch: [UP] and [DOWN] buttons for `editable-list' widgets Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:39:37 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87slms1www.fsf@wigwam.brockman.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148978553 22157 80.91.229.2 (30 May 2006 08:42:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Daniel Brockman , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 30 10:42:30 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkzo3-0003kg-EG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:42:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkzo2-0001Ir-W6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:42:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkznj-0001IN-1B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:42:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkzni-0001Hu-0L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:42:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkznh-0001Hn-Lj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:42:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.41.46.236] (helo=pfepb.post.tele.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FkztQ-0002U5-Mr; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:48:00 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (unknown [80.165.4.124]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E6E97A50083; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:41:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 29 May 2006 23:47:03 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55468 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I think the Customize interface for editing list values is rather > unnatural. Although I can see that adding up and down boxes would > make a certain case more convenient, I think they would also make it > more unnatural overall. In many cases, sequence of entries in a list does not matter, so it would probably be confusing to have the UP/DOWN buttons in general. For some lists, e.g. hooks and paths, sequence may matter quite a bit, so for those lists, UP/DOWN would make a lot of sense. The question is how to mark those lists which should have the UP/DOWN buttons... > > So I think I would rather not do this. What I would rather do > (after the release, of course) is switch to a more natural interface, > if someone can find one and implement it. As long as it is backwards compatible with customize ... IMO, customize functionality as such is ok, but the visible appearence is too ugly. I have suggested various improvements, but the code is just too tricky (or too structured :-) for any _simple_ hack to work (well, I use them anyway, but they have glitches). -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk