From: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: CVS is the `released version'
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:16:17 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3hcqftdvi.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uodkndy7n.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon\, 14 May 2007 22\:03\:40 +0300")
>>>>> "Eli" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
Eli> There are problems with this that no package system can ever solve: a
Eli> package that is released asynchronously from Emacs runs a high risk to
Eli> become broken by changes in Emacs. Packages that are released
Eli> together with Emacs are generally coherent with the Emacs core, by
Eli> contrast.
Yes, that is true for some subset of packages. But, it is by no means
universally true.
And, package.el makes an attempt to solve a related problem
experienced by users (me, at the very least): when an external package
is included in Emacs, package.el knows to disable the privately
installed copy in favor of the newer version included in Emacs.
Eli> As long as this is a real problem (and I personally don't see how it
Eli> can be solved, given the high rate of changes in core code), this
Eli> ``biggest benefit'' is actually a myth, IMHO.
I think you are drawing an overly general conclusion here. A package
manager does not have to be perfect and solve every conceivable case
in order to be better than the status quo. It merely has to provide
some tangible benefit to users. Not solving every case does not
entirely eliminate the benefits of this application.
And, anyway, when a new Emacs is released, package maintainers can
update their packages.
Tom
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-14 19:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-09 19:56 CVS is the `released version' Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-09 19:59 ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-10 2:00 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-10 6:03 ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-10 11:43 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-10 11:47 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 6:58 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 11:58 ` Andrea Russo
2007-05-10 12:34 ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-09 20:12 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 2:18 ` Chong Yidong
2007-05-10 18:24 ` Ken Manheimer
2007-05-10 19:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-11 18:48 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 20:19 ` joakim
2007-05-12 16:47 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 20:26 ` joakim
2007-05-13 8:49 ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-13 9:38 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 11:28 ` Ralf Angeli
2007-05-13 12:53 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 1:43 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 8:09 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-14 15:19 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 18:29 ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-16 2:23 ` Mike Mattie
2007-05-14 1:17 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 5:06 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-05-14 6:47 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 15:07 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 17:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-14 6:41 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 8:02 ` joakim
2007-05-14 15:10 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 18:41 ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-14 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-14 19:16 ` Tom Tromey [this message]
2007-05-14 22:36 ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-16 15:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-17 12:43 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 14:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-15 23:52 ` thorne
2007-05-18 23:10 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-18 23:31 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-19 22:31 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-19 22:33 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-20 17:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-20 21:45 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 5:19 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 10:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 10:46 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 18:36 ` JD Smith
2007-05-21 18:47 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 18:51 ` Chong Yidong
2007-05-21 19:02 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 14:52 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-25 21:13 ` Ken Manheimer
2007-05-25 21:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-26 7:01 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-28 3:10 ` dhruva
2007-05-29 0:02 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-29 6:21 ` dhruva
2007-05-29 9:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-29 10:30 ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-29 14:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-29 14:45 ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-29 17:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-29 22:00 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-30 15:43 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-30 16:15 ` joakim
2007-06-02 17:29 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-03 9:56 ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-30 15:44 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-30 21:55 ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-31 22:32 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-30 4:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-03 3:23 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-22 8:30 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 16:33 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 18:32 ` CVS is the `released version' (ELL and the ohio lisp archive) Stephen Eglen
2007-05-24 21:22 ` CVS is the `released version' Richard Stallman
2007-05-24 21:58 ` New Extensions (was: Re: CVS is the `released version') Henrik Enberg
2007-05-24 21:22 ` CVS is the `released version' Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 12:03 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-21 12:13 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 12:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 13:18 ` jasonr
2007-05-21 15:39 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-22 10:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-22 11:18 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-22 13:36 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 15:19 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-22 15:37 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-22 15:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-22 17:24 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-23 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-23 15:02 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-23 19:08 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-21 2:57 ` Bob Rogers
2007-05-21 13:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 16:22 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 12:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 16:41 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 19:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-22 4:38 ` Xavier Maillard
2007-05-20 7:54 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-20 21:53 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 5:24 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 5:53 ` dhruva
2007-05-21 6:51 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 8:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-21 9:22 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 13:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 13:51 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-24 21:22 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 10:17 ` package.el (was: Re: CVS is the `released version') David Reitter
2007-05-21 17:40 ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 18:13 ` package.el David Kastrup
2007-05-21 22:43 ` package.el David Reitter
2007-05-21 22:51 ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 23:48 ` package.el Davis Herring
2007-05-21 23:56 ` package.el Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-25 21:39 ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-27 1:00 ` package.el Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 23:50 ` package.el David Reitter
2007-05-21 23:44 ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-22 2:21 ` package.el Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-22 10:18 ` package.el Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 22:57 ` package.el David Kastrup
2007-05-20 22:05 ` CVS is the `released version' Richard Stallman
2007-05-19 22:31 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-19 22:31 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-20 17:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-20 21:23 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 12:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 13:03 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 14:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 16:50 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-22 14:51 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-22 6:10 ` Trent Buck
2007-05-22 7:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-24 21:22 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 20:42 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 23:05 ` Lukasz Stafiniak
2007-05-10 23:23 ` Davis Herring
2007-05-11 12:31 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
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