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From: joakim@verona.se
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A better autogen.sh
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:47:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3hbb3s5nl.fsf@verona.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1PzniM-0007qP-8N@fencepost.gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:12:26 -0400")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:08:21 -0700
>> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
>> CC: rgm@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> 
>> On 03/16/2011 01:10 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> 
>> >> > The src/config.in file is one example of these #ifdef-like
>> >> > constructs.  The main reason we put src/config.in in the
>> >> > repository, and keep track of it and commit it by hand,
>> >> > is for the MS Windows port.
>> > It was never because of MS-DOS.  This file was there from day one.
>> > This is the first time removal of this file is considered.
>> 
>> The idea has been considered before, I expect.
>
> I'm not getting younger, and my memory is not getting better, but I
> cannot recall such a discussion in the past nor a decision to drop the
> idea because of non-Posix platforms.
>
>> Right now, the file is in the repository only because of the MS-DOS
>> port, and that suggests that the repository copy should be moved to
>> the msdos/ subdirectory.
>
> No, right now the file is in the repository because it was always
> there, and we are discussing whether to remove it.
>
>> Whenever maintainers feel it necessary, they could autogenerate a
>> new version, copy it into the msdos/ subdirectory by hand, and
>> commit the result.  That should be enough to address concerns
>> about the MS-DOS port.
>
> It will be enough if someone takes upon themselves to perform this
> duty as a matter of routine.  Are you volunteering for the job?

Would it be any help if anyone* set up a cron job to do this
automatically? That is, run autoconf and check in the results in the dos
dir?

* for instance a version of me from a parallell dimension with copious
  spare time.

>
>> > And I need to worry about Posix platforms when I edit files in those
>> > same directories.  So what?
>> 
>> Emacs is part of the GNU project, and the main goal
>> of the GNU project, as I'm sure you know, is to develop
>> a complete Unix-like operating system that is free software.
>> So, it's inherent to Emacs that its code needs to be working
>> on Unix-like platforms.
>
> Not on Unix-like platforms.  On GNU platforms.  That's not the same.
>
> I could understand an argument that supporting Unix-like platforms is
> easier.  (And even the "easier" argument is IMO minor, looking at all
> the stuff in lib/ that is needed to support those Unix-like non-GNU
> platforms.)  But the argument about being part of the GNU project is
> bogus, because there's no difference between MS-Windows and Solaris in
> that respect: they are both proprietary platforms.
>
>> > Maybe you will also claim that bidirectional editing is not needed
>> > by "the rest of us", so my work on that is not important.
>> 
>> I would not dream of making such a claim.  But that is a
>> separate issue, and I don't see why it is relevant.
>
> It is relevant because if I lose the ability to build Emacs with no
> fuss on Windows, I will be unable to continue my work on bidi.

-- 
Joakim Verona



  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-16 10:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-20 18:47 Still unable to build trunk Chong Yidong
2011-01-20 19:39 ` Jan Djärv
2011-01-20 22:16   ` Chong Yidong
2011-01-21 20:42     ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-22  1:29       ` Chong Yidong
2011-01-22  7:25         ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-22 15:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 15:33             ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 17:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 17:35                 ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 18:14                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 18:47                     ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 19:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 20:08                         ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 21:23                 ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-24  1:01                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-24  1:22                     ` Miles Bader
2011-01-24  8:48                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-24 16:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-08  4:22                         ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Glenn Morris
2011-03-08 19:51                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-10 16:10                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-03-15 20:22                             ` A better autogen.sh Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 21:52                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-15 22:09                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 22:37                                   ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 22:58                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16  4:05                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  4:14                                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  4:17                                         ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  5:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  6:39                                           ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16  8:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  9:08                                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 10:12                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 10:47                                                   ` joakim [this message]
2011-03-16 11:53                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 12:25                                                       ` joakim
2011-03-16 12:42                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 17:52                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 18:54                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 20:40                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 11:33                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-16 11:21                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-16  6:43                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  8:47                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  9:23                                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 10:37                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 17:17                                               ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 17:45                                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 18:16                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 18:20                                                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 19:13                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 18:15                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 15:34                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 18:09                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 19:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 19:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 20:56                                     ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-17 20:36                                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-17 20:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-17 20:44                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-17 20:51                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-18  2:02                                         ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 18:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 19:13                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-28 20:29                           ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] chad
2011-03-28 20:58                             ` A better autogen.sh Glenn Morris
2011-03-28 21:45                               ` Chad Brown
2011-03-28 21:51                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29  1:17                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-29  2:21                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29  3:36                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-29  6:39                                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29 12:09                                       ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 12:19                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2011-03-29 12:23                                           ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 14:13                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-29 15:25                                               ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 16:38                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-29 18:46                                             ` chad
2011-03-30  6:15                                               ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 11:27                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 12:03                                                   ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 17:48                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 19:26                                                       ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 20:02                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 20:14                                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-30 21:36                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-30 21:41                                                               ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-31 14:36                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-28 21:57                             ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-24 18:14                   ` Still unable to build trunk Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-24 20:58                     ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-24 21:07                       ` Andreas Schwab
2011-01-24 22:47                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-25  6:01                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-25 19:58                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-25 20:14                             ` Savannah loggerhead [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Glenn Morris
2011-01-26  0:44                             ` Still unable to build trunk Richard Stallman
2011-01-26  3:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-26 12:35                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-26 13:18                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-26 13:35                         ` Andy Moreton
2011-01-26 13:42                         ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-27  9:38                           ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-27 11:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-27 11:20                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-27 11:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-27 18:27                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-29 11:49                                     ` Darren Hoo
2011-01-29 12:19                                       ` Darren Hoo
2011-01-29 13:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii

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