From: joakim@verona.se
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A better autogen.sh
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:47:58 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3hbb3s5nl.fsf@verona.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1PzniM-0007qP-8N@fencepost.gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:12:26 -0400")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:08:21 -0700
>> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
>> CC: rgm@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>>
>> On 03/16/2011 01:10 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>
>> >> > The src/config.in file is one example of these #ifdef-like
>> >> > constructs. The main reason we put src/config.in in the
>> >> > repository, and keep track of it and commit it by hand,
>> >> > is for the MS Windows port.
>> > It was never because of MS-DOS. This file was there from day one.
>> > This is the first time removal of this file is considered.
>>
>> The idea has been considered before, I expect.
>
> I'm not getting younger, and my memory is not getting better, but I
> cannot recall such a discussion in the past nor a decision to drop the
> idea because of non-Posix platforms.
>
>> Right now, the file is in the repository only because of the MS-DOS
>> port, and that suggests that the repository copy should be moved to
>> the msdos/ subdirectory.
>
> No, right now the file is in the repository because it was always
> there, and we are discussing whether to remove it.
>
>> Whenever maintainers feel it necessary, they could autogenerate a
>> new version, copy it into the msdos/ subdirectory by hand, and
>> commit the result. That should be enough to address concerns
>> about the MS-DOS port.
>
> It will be enough if someone takes upon themselves to perform this
> duty as a matter of routine. Are you volunteering for the job?
Would it be any help if anyone* set up a cron job to do this
automatically? That is, run autoconf and check in the results in the dos
dir?
* for instance a version of me from a parallell dimension with copious
spare time.
>
>> > And I need to worry about Posix platforms when I edit files in those
>> > same directories. So what?
>>
>> Emacs is part of the GNU project, and the main goal
>> of the GNU project, as I'm sure you know, is to develop
>> a complete Unix-like operating system that is free software.
>> So, it's inherent to Emacs that its code needs to be working
>> on Unix-like platforms.
>
> Not on Unix-like platforms. On GNU platforms. That's not the same.
>
> I could understand an argument that supporting Unix-like platforms is
> easier. (And even the "easier" argument is IMO minor, looking at all
> the stuff in lib/ that is needed to support those Unix-like non-GNU
> platforms.) But the argument about being part of the GNU project is
> bogus, because there's no difference between MS-Windows and Solaris in
> that respect: they are both proprietary platforms.
>
>> > Maybe you will also claim that bidirectional editing is not needed
>> > by "the rest of us", so my work on that is not important.
>>
>> I would not dream of making such a claim. But that is a
>> separate issue, and I don't see why it is relevant.
>
> It is relevant because if I lose the ability to build Emacs with no
> fuss on Windows, I will be unable to continue my work on bidi.
--
Joakim Verona
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Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-01-20 18:47 Still unable to build trunk Chong Yidong
2011-01-20 19:39 ` Jan Djärv
2011-01-20 22:16 ` Chong Yidong
2011-01-21 20:42 ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-22 1:29 ` Chong Yidong
2011-01-22 7:25 ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-22 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 15:33 ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 17:35 ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 18:47 ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 20:08 ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 21:23 ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-24 1:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-24 1:22 ` Miles Bader
2011-01-24 8:48 ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-24 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-08 4:22 ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Glenn Morris
2011-03-08 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-10 16:10 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-03-15 20:22 ` A better autogen.sh Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 21:52 ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-15 22:09 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 22:37 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 22:58 ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 4:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 4:14 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 4:17 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 5:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 6:39 ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 8:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 9:08 ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 10:47 ` joakim [this message]
2011-03-16 11:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 12:25 ` joakim
2011-03-16 12:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 17:52 ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 18:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 20:40 ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 11:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-16 11:21 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-16 6:43 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 8:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 9:23 ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 10:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 17:17 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 17:45 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 18:20 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 19:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 18:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 15:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 18:09 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 19:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 19:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 20:56 ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-17 20:36 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-17 20:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-17 20:44 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-17 20:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-18 2:02 ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 18:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 19:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-28 20:29 ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] chad
2011-03-28 20:58 ` A better autogen.sh Glenn Morris
2011-03-28 21:45 ` Chad Brown
2011-03-28 21:51 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29 1:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-29 2:21 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29 3:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-29 6:39 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29 12:09 ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 12:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-03-29 12:23 ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 14:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-29 15:25 ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 16:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-29 18:46 ` chad
2011-03-30 6:15 ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 11:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 12:03 ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 17:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 19:26 ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 20:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 20:14 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-30 21:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-30 21:41 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-31 14:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-28 21:57 ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-24 18:14 ` Still unable to build trunk Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-24 20:58 ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-24 21:07 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-01-24 22:47 ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-25 6:01 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-25 19:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-25 20:14 ` Savannah loggerhead [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Glenn Morris
2011-01-26 0:44 ` Still unable to build trunk Richard Stallman
2011-01-26 3:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-26 12:35 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-26 13:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-26 13:35 ` Andy Moreton
2011-01-26 13:42 ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-27 9:38 ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-27 11:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-27 11:20 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-27 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-27 18:27 ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-29 11:49 ` Darren Hoo
2011-01-29 12:19 ` Darren Hoo
2011-01-29 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
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