From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:06:39 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <87myk828zm.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87y73rzd9b.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217070634 18670 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 11:10:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:10:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 13:11:23 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMhgI-0007ts-K2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:11:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46270 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMhfO-00048G-MR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:10:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMheP-0003mD-6g for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:09:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMheN-0003kI-4D for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:09:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51853 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMheM-0003k7-SF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:09:23 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp2-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.28]:38453) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMheM-0007n1-Qn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:09:22 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp2-g19.free.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E4212B6E1 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:09:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from bzg.ath.cx (lns-bzn-38-82-253-121-187.adsl.proxad.net [82.253.121.187]) by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3870A12B6D0 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:09:16 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:15:00 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55962 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > Perhaps these are people who have limited time to spend and (their > fault, ours, or both) do not see the benefits of switching to Emacs, > while the difficulties are painfully evident. Again, Emacsers have a responsability in the fact that they maintain an image of Emacs as something that is _really_ so special that it requires special gifts to master it -- "oh! wait! _nobody_ can master it!" Before lowering the learning curve, maybe we should first lower our pride in using Emacs. Then the newcomers would be less impressed and would jump more easily. -- Bastien