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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Changing the default for `send-mail-function'
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:26:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3fwmu5654.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1QbBWA-0002bI-1S@fencepost.gnu.org

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> Sending mail could set up a timer to check in 15 seconds for a bounce
> message.  If one arrives, and it indicates that there is no outgoing
> mail service, Emacs could set up a buffer for sending that message
> again, then invite you to configure smtpmail before resending it.

I do not know, in general, how to check for a bounce message on a system
that has not been configured for email reading.  If you're thinking of
just checking /var/mail/<user> -- yes, that will work for some systems,
but not systems where the spool is somewhere else.

It sounds very fragile, and fragility is what we don't want.

> A second step might be: instead of configuring Emacs to send via smtp,
> help the user configure Exim to do it.  That way, scripts that want to
> send a message will work too.

I think that's a bad idea.

Times have moved on.  All other modern mail readers have moved on from
trying to use the local MTA to send email out, because the world has
changed.  These days, it's way more likely that you need to talk to your
ISPs local servers directly, and you need to fill out some credentials
tied to your account.

This isn't practical on an MTA-based solution, which is why all modern
mail readers, on all architectures, have independently come to the
conclusion that they have to have the SMTP configuration inside the
application. 

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/




  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-28 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 201+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-26  9:14 Changing the default for `send-mail-function' Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 10:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 10:56   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 11:32     ` Reiner Steib
2011-06-26 11:38       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 12:45         ` Reiner Steib
2011-06-26 12:53           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 14:51         ` Jason Rumney
2011-06-27 20:45         ` Jochen Hein
2011-06-26 12:50     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 13:08       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 13:42         ` Philipp Haselwarter
2011-06-26 17:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 18:58           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-30  4:15             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-30  8:55               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 18:35         ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-26 19:09           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 19:50             ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-26 20:05               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 20:40                 ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-26 20:44                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 21:07                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 19:54             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 21:20           ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-26 21:29             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 21:52               ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-26 22:05                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 22:49                   ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-26 23:36                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 23:49                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27  0:57                         ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-27  9:36                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27  2:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27  3:34                           ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-27  4:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27  9:39                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 11:04                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27 11:11                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 12:00                             ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-27 16:29                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-28  0:03                                 ` Bill Wohler
2011-06-28  5:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-28 15:29                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-28 16:55                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-28 18:47                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-29 20:23                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-28 15:49                                     ` Bill Wohler
2011-06-27  0:03                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 19:49         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-26 21:57           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 22:44             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-26 23:26               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 23:55                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27  0:00                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27  1:39                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27  5:59                   ` Jan Djärv
2011-06-27  7:12                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27  8:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 23:21         ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-26 23:38           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 13:06             ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-28 15:26               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2011-06-29 10:58                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-29 10:58                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-29 11:52                   ` Teemu Likonen
2011-06-29 11:59                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 11:59                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-29 13:42                     ` Richard Riley
2011-06-30  0:13                       ` Tim Cross
2011-06-30 16:22                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-30 16:34                         ` Andreas Schwab
2011-06-30 21:11                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-27  0:10         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27  1:47         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-27 10:32           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 15:54           ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-26 13:39       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 17:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 18:36           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 20:32         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-26 20:37           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 20:40             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27  4:20             ` Tim Cross
2011-06-27  5:22               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27 11:07                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 15:56                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-28  1:14                   ` Tim Cross
2011-06-28  1:39                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-06-28  2:24                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-06-28 18:11                         ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-27 13:06               ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-30  3:58               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-01  0:18                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-01  0:50                   ` chad
2011-07-01 11:40                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-01  2:29                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-01 11:40                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-01 12:30                       ` Frank Schmitt
2011-07-02  8:11                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-02 14:21                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-03 12:49                             ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-04  3:27                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-04 11:39                                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05  0:53                                   ` Tim Cross
2011-07-05 12:45                                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05 14:11                                       ` Jan Djärv
2011-07-05 21:05                                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05 21:43                                           ` Antoine Levitt
2011-07-05 23:28                                             ` chad
2011-07-06  1:54                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-06 14:33                                               ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-06 19:39                                                 ` chad
2011-07-07  0:34                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07  1:01                                                     ` chad
2011-07-07 16:31                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07 22:16                                                         ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2011-07-08  0:07                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07  1:06                                                     ` Tim Cross
2011-07-07  1:19                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-07  1:28                                                         ` chad
2011-07-07 16:31                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-08 23:38                                                             ` chad
2011-07-09 14:38                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-12  3:11                                                                 ` chad
2011-07-07  3:25                                                         ` Tim Cross
2011-07-07 16:31                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07  7:14                                                       ` Richard Riley
2011-07-07 15:02                                                         ` Tim Cross
2011-07-07 15:17                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-08  0:06                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-08  0:47                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-09  1:50                                                             ` Tim Cross
2011-07-10 12:27                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-10 22:25                                                                 ` Tim Cross
2011-07-11 12:53                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-11 13:27                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-11 15:28                                                                     ` Ken Brown
2011-07-11 16:34                                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-11 18:42                                                                         ` Ken Brown
2011-08-02 21:32                                                                         ` Ken Brown
2011-08-02 22:09                                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-03  0:40                                                                             ` Ken Brown
2011-08-03  1:20                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-04 15:24                                                                               ` Ken Brown
2011-08-04 20:15                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-04 21:57                                                                                   ` Ken Brown
2011-08-06  1:56                                                                                     ` Tim Cross
2011-08-06 15:56                                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-06 17:27                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-06 17:34                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-06 18:33                                                                                         ` Ken Brown
2011-08-06 18:36                                                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-08-06 23:20                                                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-06 23:26                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-08-07  0:07                                                                                             ` Tim Cross
2011-08-07  0:28                                                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-07  1:34                                                                                                 ` Tim Cross
2011-08-06 23:18                                                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-07 16:25                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-29 15:08                                                                                             ` Ken Brown
2011-10-06 19:41                                                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-07 13:12                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-09  6:05                                                                                                   ` Tim Cross
2011-08-03  4:17                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-08  0:06                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-09  2:38                                                             ` Tim Cross
2011-07-09 14:38                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-06 14:32                                             ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07 22:37                                             ` Andreas Rottmann
2011-07-05 14:22                                       ` Per Starbäck
2011-07-05 21:05                                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05 14:24                                       ` Antoine Levitt
2011-07-05 21:05                                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-06 11:11                                       ` Richard Riley
2011-07-08  7:56                                       ` Peter Münster
2011-07-08 18:31                                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-12 14:41                                           ` Peter Münster
2011-07-05  8:28                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-05 21:05                                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-06  1:39                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-03 17:08                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-04  0:07                             ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-04  2:49                               ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-27 15:08         ` Jason Rumney
2011-06-27 15:34           ` Julien Danjou
2011-06-27 17:10             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-27 18:56               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 19:54                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-28  0:42                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-27 21:03                 ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-28 15:20                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 23:03                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-27 19:07               ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-27 16:17           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-28 14:57             ` Jason Rumney
2011-06-26 16:18 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-26 18:45   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 23:21     ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-06-27 11:25 Andrey Paramonov
2011-06-27 11:38 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

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