From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Cloos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 10:40:42 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> <20140105205645.GA12781@thyrsus.com> <8738l2gcot.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389023175 1249 80.91.229.3 (6 Jan 2014 15:46:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 06 16:46:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W0CNf-0000NJ-1k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:46:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35912 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0CNe-0001ix-J8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 10:46:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47424) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0CNX-0001ih-P3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 10:46:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0CNT-0004Qj-Fe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 10:46:11 -0500 Original-Received: from ore.jhcloos.com ([198.147.23.85]:43284) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0CNO-0004Pu-KU; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 10:46:02 -0500 Original-Received: by ore.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id F0FA21DD3C; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:46:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=ore13; t=1389023160; bh=Ydfh3lJ9tcMEsgjhJq9fzVETErAXSn+Ef72kNe1JdGc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=IR5OPDUMbkNBLkqcXVxFUOuqlmj+l9oOW76rQ/athZ9Ihu1EmGijWnQaRLFDX3pdX UTyO2uZJP6zNI8Yx3R4V/uqkyK3VOJsS6NOeEIRA04r26MuZ0iKFwFzt01ry5BGztv XwbSCWGFhW2cDLOPagMACcX6rPIAgjAAWDlwJag2nIA== Original-Received: by carbon.jhcloos.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 7596360027; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:40:42 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <8738l2gcot.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Mon, 06 Jan 2014 01:45:54 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQAgMAAABinRfyAAAACVBMVEX///8ZGXBQKKnCrDQ3 AAAAJElEQVQImWNgQAAXzwQg4SKASgAlXIEEiwsSIYBEcLaAtMEAADJnB+kKcKioAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC Copyright: Copyright 2013 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Original-Lines: 29 X-Hashcash: 1:30:140106:dak@gnu.org::z06m1Q7zAgxr7BZy:00000CZojQ X-Hashcash: 1:30:140106:emacs-devel@gnu.org::kGgzRomImWmhiI8X:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000G035p X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 198.147.23.85 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167473 Archived-At: >>>>> "DK" == David Kastrup writes: JC>> Emacs in a terminal emulator is often superior to gui-emacs with the X JC>> protocol tunneled over ssh. DK> Why would you do that? DK> It's so much easier and faster to just do DK> C-x C-f /ssh:user@hostname.netword:myfile.c RET No it is not faster. If I need to edit something, I'll alread have an ssh session open to that box. >emacs foo< is a hell of a lot faster than switching to a different (window manager) workspace and typing all of that.... And, often, the editing I'm doing is an automated call to $EDITOR. So it has to run local to the remote box anyway. Further, testing shows that although tramp logs in to the remote box, it never gets past waiting for prompts. So it isn't just slower; it doesn't work at all. (Not to mention the secondary gnus instance I run on one of my servers.) -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6