From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Thomas Fitzsimmons Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 10:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="85753"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 41386@debbugs.gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 20 16:13:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jbPTn-000MCP-KN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 16:13:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbPTm-0005Pg-If for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:13:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55278) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbPMA-0000Jm-3A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:06:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:42306) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbPM9-00022E-QW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:06:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jbPM9-0002Bf-KY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:06:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Thomas Fitzsimmons Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 14:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41386 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 41386-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41386.15899835578397 (code B ref 41386); Wed, 20 May 2020 14:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41386) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2020 14:05:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53852 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jbPM5-0002BM-JG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:05:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qk1-f169.google.com ([209.85.222.169]:33101) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jbPM4-0002B5-E9 for 41386@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 10:05:56 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qk1-f169.google.com with SMTP id z80so3675261qka.0 for <41386@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 20 May 2020 07:05:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fitzsim-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=c6p8H3pQmspL1gpDXUc8RVI4OHCy+5x3w2ly5bcddFI=; b=rEFrVILYbWJyKgaj5qBzOWiPGLRMkMORyDwarpxxVoX1jKXaJfN+BJ6eAEKoOHCG9g 60E/1nTMj5QM68nyW9qTTITFNOnZNyuRLhe1FzZeZ4cXJk8gHALKHqDIa20dT+SayAS8 kU8t6s9T4+RjeyZHxWN4mJM3y6Pt2zhYbyTlIzPf0ZtcWWqRAD0cXUC5b547KmsJeiVh Nt0zTqR8eQqjX/XW1TBPirwsMRHAYjI0d4SoVgzPZTjkLodU4C1OAAIMw64Q2jMkKDBy W7Y3I4U6YrR6q10K5NqlWNTX52wpR0vlmNc6j8ip2zDbHZFtkHfjYrF6UyFHtW5iLYmB XBGg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=c6p8H3pQmspL1gpDXUc8RVI4OHCy+5x3w2ly5bcddFI=; b=spc8w1jbb9eCABwy8kQgIqyuU423+Ym8cxZtJaAsNrLdey+GLOFSxhN0ojd28deVI7 EPryO1dkpHJHfv5loizmYMEphEuNtcL1vuHErEC0fhxp+PZVM04qlcuRtwQMgIZX9DfK 9YHL9f7Igm3dAjSI91cgabABLg9MBdBa3UojZiDE4UtntdddRice94nWi33VYs41x/Bg d/yWhGhIEUw6xa0urcBC0GwUtByHzaCqvKKdg4gldVfjASvuRok1gSWxHxVtdQ4xU8HX +E77+SzD23ir15cH+o+IBPAxelpIyaTgERA0/8UTCELx0WfHM/6kw5UBlfFIV148Lyr1 fmJw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533TaTPR9eE0dzfdFRYVyKz7lV1q6Tlae5qT6sLJhTQDnRzcuwuf AmA2ALzyX+6FYxdy5XHCwolv2MDNX8kkQ5zW X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw1Z2LKZQSjIp0bAlIigPT1DsPpcos2rEBsKrJADYsPuY9JLipVShXsdfieg+PEl7Yc6lNRNg== X-Received: by 2002:a37:85c4:: with SMTP id h187mr4573398qkd.179.1589983550433; Wed, 20 May 2020 07:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (69-165-165-189.dsl.teksavvy.com. [69.165.165.189]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j90sm2484929qte.33.2020.05.20.07.05.49 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 May 2020 07:05:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 19 May 2020 23:53:12 -0400") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:180653 Archived-At: Hi Richard, Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Some email services seem to be moving toward requiring MUAs to support > > OAuth 2.0, one reason being that they would like MUAs to do two factor > > authentication. It would be nice to have this capability in Gnus's > > nnimap. > > This may raise some moral issues -- depending on what practical > requirements there are. Would you like to explain to me how the > two-factor authentication works in practice, and what the user needs > to have? Thanks for having a look at this bug report. I could explain in a general way how this might work for Gnus's nnimap backend. However, given what I've learned from Lars's and David's responses, I would prefer to keep this bug report solely about OAuth 2.0 support, with a focus on Google's email services. Two factor authentication can be implemented by a service without requiring OAuth 2.0, and vice versa. (Given what I've learned from Lars and David I probably should not have even mentioned it in the initial report.) Therefore I think lumping the two concepts together in this bug report will be too confusing. We could open a new bug report, or open a discussion on emacs-devel, about two factor authentication support in Emacs generally. However, I don't have a specific example to discuss or a bug to report about a specific service, so I don't think the resulting discussion would be focused enough to be productive. Thomas