From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail From: Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel =?iso-8859-2?q?Jan=EDk?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Crash on loading image Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:39:58 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200202222346.g1MNk5q14177@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: quimby2.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: quimby2.netfonds.no 1014461612 16806 195.204.10.66 (23 Feb 2002 10:53:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby2.netfonds.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2002 10:53:32 GMT Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby2.netfonds.no with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16eZo3-0004My-00 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:53:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16eZlu-0006Lc-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 05:51:18 -0500 Original-Received: from p0201.as-l043.contactel.cz ([194.108.242.201] helo=SnowWhite.SuSE.cz) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16eZis-000684-00; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 05:48:10 -0500 Original-Received: by SnowWhite.SuSE.cz (PJ, from userid 500) id 2AB1C441C0; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:50:39 +0100 (CET) Original-To: rms@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: $"d&^B_IKlTHX!y2d,3;grhwjOBqOli]LV`6d]58%5'x/kBd7.MO&n3bJ@Zkf&RfBu|^qL+ ?/Re{MpTqanXS2'~Qp'J2p^M7uM:zp[1Xq#{|C!*'&NvCC[9!|=>#qHqIhroq_S"MH8nSH+d^9*BF: iHiAs(t(~b#1.{w.d[=Z In-Reply-To: <200202222346.g1MNk5q14177@aztec.santafe.edu> (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:46:05 -0700 (MST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i386-suse-linux-gnu) Original-Lines: 46 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: quimby.gnus.org gmane.emacs.devel:1454 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:1454 From: Richard Stallman Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:46:05 -0700 (MST) Richard, > note, that some Linux distributors - like SuSE - have also libungif-4.1.0 > > Thanks for helping to collect these test cases. While you are at it, > would you please not call those companies "Linux distributors". What > they distribute is much more GNU than Linux, and giving "Linux" 100% > of the credit hurts the GNU Project. I know your arguments. I think all people here know your arguments so it is pointless to discuss this on this mailing-list. But do you really think that they distribute more GNU than Linux? Have you ever untarred Linux kernel sources? It is *big* mess of C and asm code. I think in case of SuSE (who sells seven CDs or 1 DVD, or 8 CDs here in Czech republic), GNU part is minor there and *maybe* Linux part (various binary images, sources, patches, modules etc.) of the CDs is bigger then GNU part. But I do not have data so I can't tell exactly. What I really think is that there are more (in terms of disk space) useless commercial packages like Sun StarOffice, Kylix and similar stuff. Should I then refer to SuSE as commercial Linux/XFree/Sun/GNU distributor? There are two versions of XFree there on CDs, it is *huge* disk space. There is KDE who is disk eater... Did you measure what is important for users and what is not? Users of this distribution really value KDE (GPL, but not part of GNU project). They use XFree (not part of GNU project). Yes, I was too materialistic in the text written above, but people tend to think that way and you can not reply to them, because you do not have informations. It is not correct to refer to such packages as "Linux". Yes, I know that, it is not Linux (ie. Linux kernel). But it is not correct to call them "GNU/Linux" as well. You know that and you still want other people to refer to such packages as "GNU/Linux". I have the same feeling as being in the church and listening to vicar talking about something he believes in. Sorry for that, but this is only my opinion. If you think that GNU project tends to be forgotten in people's minds, something *should* be done. But saying half-truth to them is not correct and can turn against GNU project in the future. I do not want to be there when this happens... -- Pavel Janík _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel